Silver Conformance Options Subgroup

14 Oct 2021


Bryan, JF, maryjom, sajkaj, ToddLibby, Wilco_
Azlan_Cuttilan, Bruce_Bailey

Meeting minutes

sajkaj: not meeting coming week

Wilco_: AWAG continuing to meet, not Silver

Wilco_: AGWG continuing to meet

sajkaj: note is publishing by working group

sajkaj: looking forward to understanding schema

sajkaj: may be of interest to this group

PeterKorn: happy to meet next week

sajkaj: we will be next week

Agenda Review & Administrative Items

TPAC Survival Guide

sajkaj: TPAC 3 things to know

sajkaj: sign up

sajkaj: little bit of process, log into W3C account

sajkaj: wait for email, use code

sajkaj: login and sign up for meeting

sajkaj: will incorporate zoom, will get 30 or 5 min before call

sajkaj: be ready to get on IRC

sajkaj: keep in touch with people

sajkaj: expect some level of gotchas

Media Continued https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Media.Next

sajkaj: media continued - looking at comments

sajkaj: address considerations - no exemptions

sajkaj: guidelines provide detail, can we provide a conformance options?

sajkaj: inform users when circumstances like legacy media

<PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#sign-language-prerecorded

PeterKorn: exemption discussion like ASL

is an AAA requirement

PeterKorn: real-world example like audio live

PeterKorn: radio broadcast is not accessible

PeterKorn: we let media content sit till it is worked out

PeterKorn: how should we try to address this in a new way?

sajkaj: WCAG 2.x isn't giving this to us

sajkaj: until we have guidelines this is hard

Wilco_: is the issue that we are taking things away?

Wilco_: we don't think of this as a serious problem

Wilco_: hard to get it accepted

sajkaj: may be on to something

JF: key selling for WCAG 3 is that you are good but not great

JF: if constrained we should point to something normative

sajkaj: we keep hearing back that people feel we are taking away

shadi: different issues might be weighted different

shadi: another exception might not come from WCAG

shadi: issue in some situation may be policy issue

Wilco_: i think we are taking things away

Wilco_: wonder if we need to be pro-active in acknowledging that

sajkaj: add some practical things that are achievable

sajkaj: hair salon in use case example of where to leave to other process

sajkaj: ASL good example

sajkaj: maybe will see more

PeterKorn: resonate with Wilco

PeterKorn: absent conformance it's tough to bring people along

PeterKorn: not on a path to getting where we want to be

PeterKorn: that's informing me

<JF> +1 to Peter - we need to start being pragmatic to our ask

PeterKorn: do we refine now and be upfront?

PeterKorn: or do we let this sit and focus on something else?

sajkaj: get on AGWG agenda not practicable soon

sajkaj: conversation along these lines to get people to be forthcoming

PeterKorn: Sara suggested changes

PeterKorn: do 1:1 to see if we can address concerns

bring back not sooner than november

sajkaj: changes are small

PeterKorn: not bring forth unless happy

PeterKorn: that's important

sajkaj: leave on agenda for next week

PeterKorn: yes

sajkaj: will look at survey

sajkaj: is this reasonable

Sampling & Reporting -- Initial Use Cases https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YgiOg3CZz-LAVxRT0CWUTWHzyVa3UrjqdU4NvoyUZ_8/

sajkaj: moving on to use cases

sajkaj: leadership asking for more on conformance

no timeline

sajkaj: no timeline

Wilco_: added item 7

PeterKorn: EU wanting to track content

PeterKorn: feels like consistently and monitoring

PeterKorn: important to companies doing testing

PeterKorn: judgement question

PeterKorn: acknowledge tensions

JF: part of much larger thing

JF: propose WCAG 3 include protocols and exceptions

JF: problem is reporting

JF: making declarations

JF: use standard document

JF: include scoping

JF: feels like simple solution

<Wilco_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/FPWD-Overview-test/saur/Overview.html

sajkaj: seem to be simple examples to look at

sajkaj: we have numbers

sajkaj: can be quantified

sajkaj: some are judgement calls

JF: protocols are to qualify

JF: can't measure but there are outcomes

JF: things to keep in mind

JF: can be adopted

JF: how to standardize?

JF: build out a list

Wilco_: should we explore use cases

PeterKorn: yes

shadi: more background on what we are doing

shadi: thinking should be more precise

shadi: can conform without being tested

PeterKorn: last time looked at high-level challenges, developed into use cases

PeterKorn: created collection, then did a deep dive to understand

PeterKorn: example travel reviews

PeterKorn: created a greater or lesser control

PeterKorn: led to proposals

PeterKorn: can we try this again

PeterKorn: turn scaling challenges to real world examples

PeterKorn: help promote understanding

PeterKorn: current doc way to skeletal

sajkaj: in a year of work got one section into working draft

sajkaj: how do we organize conformance for WCAG 3?

sajkaj: have reminder we need to make practical for small companies

sajkaj: not expecting perfection

PeterKorn: offline can do a bit more work on media

PeterKorn: sampling is way to tell with confidence to tell you where you are

PeterKorn: accept there will be problems at level expected

PeterKorn: won't solve all problems

PeterKorn: sampling tells us we don't have major problems

sajkaj: will still have to revisit

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 136 (Thu May 27 13:50:24 2021 UTC).


Maybe present: PeterKorn, shadi