W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

23 September 2021

Attendees

Present
Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard
Regrets
-
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
atsushi

Meeting minutes

<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference

Agenda Review

addison: anything to add?

Action Items

<addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

<addison> action-1048?

<trackbot> action-1048: Addison Phillips to Create PR on webauthn with new metadata proposal -- due 2021-07-21 -- OPEN

<addison> close action-1048

<trackbot> Closed action-1048.

addison: did 1048, replaced rader

<addison> action-1051?

<trackbot> action-1051: Addison Phillips to File issues about domexception against webidl to add metadata and to provide for localizability -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN

addison: 1051, filed issues, there is a discussion in the issue
… it seems we may not get what we have asked, added as agendum

<addison> close action-1051

<trackbot> Closed action-1051.

<addison> action-1077?

<trackbot> action-1077: Addison Phillips to Ping ian about joint meeting during tpac in re: secure payment confirmation -- due 2021-09-16 -- OPEN

<addison> close action-1077

<trackbot> Closed action-1077.

<addison> action-1078?

<trackbot> action-1078: Addison Phillips to Review payment-request issues -- due 2021-09-16 -- OPEN

addison: did 1077, and have a time and date by email

addison: did 1078, closed number of them, and pointed a list for discussion

addison: 1079, could not attend call yesterday, and have not updated at the issue

<addison> action-1081?

<trackbot> action-1081: Richard Ishida to Proofread the uax50 letter from citpc -- due 2021-09-23 -- OPEN

richard: the latest one was the same as the wiki

https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/pull/305/files

https://github.com/himorin/jlreq/blob/uax50-reformat/docs/uax-with-aj1/Request-to-revise-UAX-50-for-the-harmonization-with-Adobe-Japan1.md

atsushi: forgot to merge PR for the final draft.

richard: will check

<addison> action-1082?

<trackbot> action-1082: Addison Phillips to Establish tpac agenda page and put our various meetings with other groups there also -- due 2021-09-23 -- OPEN

<addison> https://www.w3.org/wiki/I18N_2021_TPAC

addison: did 1082, on wiki

<addison> close action-1082

<trackbot> Closed action-1082.

Info Share

addison: bookmark the wiki page if you need to have

addison: any info share?

xfq: HR tracker bot had stopped a several days ago, and already reported, will work normally shortly

jck: how about ping to unicode?

addison: in my actions, email discussion held with Felix
… we already have a registry for subtags, the concern is nobody haven't touched the relevant RFCs

jck: one could write a note to point this as a registry
… I could work.
… my concern is that we ended up and IETF would not take, resulting to have two registries
… let me take a time to write lines, to explain above

Action: JcK: write the ADs about creating language subtag URL reference

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1083 - Write the ads about creating language subtag url reference [on John Klensin - due 2021-09-30].

addison: two kind of references, one for subtag, harder thing is a reference to language tags, simply a list of urls
… language tags are harder, additional stuffs could be there

jck: a proposal, making normative reference in W3C which we can maintain

addison: I will see what they would say, including on BCP47

richard: developed something on Khashmiri
… unicode standard is not clearly state on this script
… compound is not well supported
… could use similar script although.

<r12a> https://r12a.github.io/pickers/arab-ks/

richard: discussed with colleagues working on this, and updated character picker page

[richard explains some usages]

richard: with check! button, you could see lines of recommended and not
… I will extend this check capability to other scripts

richard: we should put into i18n checker first

RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

addison: no new incoming
… SPC, have some time, also we have some issue raised

Rechartering

richard: new charters went to AC, 31 responses, no request of change, couple of people to thank us
… approved this week
… we will be rechartering from Oct/1st
… everybody need to rejoin!

richard: no impact on IG

Localizable and metadata in DOMException et al

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Awebidl

addison: I created pending issues, since repository is in personeal's repository
… so, note, this actually not track the issue

<addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1024

addison: we are talking with WebIDL, that we want to request localizable DOMException
… JS exception does not have such capability, so redirected to TC39

addison: some spec use message in their data, and proposed to have some guideline text
… answer was mostly no
… since these messages are mostly only used by developers
… so, still open to get comments

richard: key thing here, is the people stop writing user readerble text but use code, and user could use localized text for display

addison: if one have natural language text without direction, could not be displayed correctly

addison: if there is no type in WebIDL for localizable message
… DOMException have some unused attributes, like message (natural language string), challange is these could be used to show in user interface

<addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1025

addison: most important one for us is localizable type

<r12a> dictionary NotificationOptions {

<r12a> NotificationDirection dir = "auto";

<r12a> DOMString lang = "";

<r12a> DOMString body = "";

<r12a> DOMString tag = "";

<r12a> USVString image;

<r12a> USVString icon;

<r12a> USVString badge;

<r12a> VibratePattern vibrate;

<r12a> DOMTimeStamp timestamp;

<r12a> boolean renotify = false;

<r12a> boolean silent = false;

<r12a> boolean requireInteraction = false;

<r12a> any data = null;

<r12a> sequence<NotificationAction> actions = [];

<r12a> };

<addison> https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/

addison: my preference is to build a package that could be used by specs
… with a reference to the document

<r12a> The notification’s language specifies the primary language for the notification’s title, body and the title of each of its actions.

addison: my preference is to have a localizable type, which could be directly used from IDL in specs

<addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1023

addison: our most specific issue 1023, DOMException does not do this
… if we decide that DOMException is not localizable, this will work
… pending label is to follow our process, we haven't discussed this in group yet

richard: +1 to remove pending

addison: feel free to scribe to these issues and to add comments

AOB?

addison: SPC to next week

xfq: changed color of webidl label on tracker repository

Summary of action items

  1. JcK: write the ADs about creating language subtag URL reference
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