IRC log of i18n on 2021-09-23
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-irc
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 23 September 2021
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- agendabot, find agenda
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- addison, OK. This may take a minute...
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- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Sep/0022.html
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- clear agenda
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- agenda+ Agenda Review
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- agenda+ Action Items
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- agenda+ Info Share
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- agenda+ RADAR Review
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- agenda+ TPAC planning
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- agenda+ Localizable and metadata in DOMException et al
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- agenda+ "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews
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- agenda+ AOB?
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- agenda+ Rechartering
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- present+ Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Addison
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- present+ JcK
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- present+ JcK
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
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- agenda?
- 14:06:43 [atsushi]
- addison: anything to add?
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- action-1048?
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- action-1048 -- Addison Phillips to Create PR on webauthn with new metadata proposal -- due 2021-07-21 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1048
- 14:07:32 [addison]
- close action-1048
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- Closed action-1048.
- 14:07:36 [atsushi]
- addison: did 1048, replaced rader
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- action-1051?
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- action-1051 -- Addison Phillips to File issues about domexception against webidl to add metadata and to provide for localizability -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
- 14:07:47 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1051
- 14:08:15 [atsushi]
- addison: 1051, filed issues, there is a discussion in the issue
- 14:08:40 [atsushi]
- ... it seems we may not get what we have asked, added as agendum
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- close action-1051
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- Closed action-1051.
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- action-1077?
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- action-1077 -- Addison Phillips to Ping ian about joint meeting during tpac in re: secure payment confirmation -- due 2021-09-16 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1077
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- close action-1077
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- Closed action-1077.
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- action-1078?
- 14:10:16 [trackbot]
- action-1078 -- Addison Phillips to Review payment-request issues -- due 2021-09-16 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1078
- 14:10:17 [atsushi]
- addison: did 1077, and have a time and date by email
- 14:10:36 [atsushi]
- addison: did 1078, closed number of them, and pointed a list for discussion
- 14:11:06 [atsushi]
- addison: 1079, could not attend call yesterday, and have not updated at the issue
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- action-1081?
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- action-1081 -- Richard Ishida to Proofread the uax50 letter from citpc -- due 2021-09-23 -- OPEN
- 14:11:33 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1081
- 14:12:16 [atsushi]
- richard: the latest one was the same as the wiki
- 14:12:40 [atsushi]
- https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/pull/305/files
- 14:13:31 [atsushi]
- https://github.com/himorin/jlreq/blob/uax50-reformat/docs/uax-with-aj1/Request-to-revise-UAX-50-for-the-harmonization-with-Adobe-Japan1.md
- 14:13:47 [atsushi]
- atsushi: forgot to merge PR for the final draft.
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- richard: will check
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- action-1082?
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- action-1082 -- Addison Phillips to Establish tpac agenda page and put our various meetings with other groups there also -- due 2021-09-23 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1082
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- https://www.w3.org/wiki/I18N_2021_TPAC
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- present+ Bert
- 14:14:17 [atsushi]
- addison: did 1082, on wiki
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- close action-1082
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- Closed action-1082.
- 14:14:35 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:14:40 [atsushi]
- ... bookmark the wiki page if you need to have
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- addison: any info share?
- 14:15:15 [atsushi]
- xfq: HR tracker bot had stopped a several days ago, and already reported, will work normally shortly
- 14:15:28 [atsushi]
- jck: how about ping to unicode?
- 14:15:50 [atsushi]
- addison: in my actions, email discussion held with Felix
- 14:16:16 [atsushi]
- ... we already have a registry for subtags, the concern is nobody haven't touched the relevant RFCs
- 14:16:53 [atsushi]
- jck: one could write a note to point this as a registry
- 14:16:59 [atsushi]
- ... I could work.
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- ... my concern is that we ended up and IETF would not take, resulting to have two registries
- 14:18:23 [atsushi]
- ... let me take a time to write lines, to explain above
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- action: JcK: write the ADs about creating language subtag URL reference
- 14:18:40 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1083 - Write the ads about creating language subtag url reference [on John Klensin - due 2021-09-30].
- 14:19:32 [atsushi]
- addison: two kind of references, one for subtag, harder thing is a reference to language tags, simply a list of urls
- 14:19:49 [atsushi]
- ... language tags are harder, additional stuffs could be there
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- jck: a proposal, making normative reference in W3C which we can maintain
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- addison: I will see what they would say, including on BCP47
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- richard: developed something on @@Kashimly
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- ... unicode standard is not clearly state on this script
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- ... compound is not well supported
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- ... could use similar script although.
- 14:23:41 [r12a]
- https://r12a.github.io/pickers/arab-ks/
- 14:23:41 [atsushi]
- ... discussed with colleagues working on this, and updated character picker page
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- s/@@Kashimly/Khashmiri/
- 14:24:07 [atsushi]
- [richard explains some usages]
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- richard: with check! button, you could see lines of recommended and not
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- ... I will extend this check capability to other scripts
- 14:29:42 [atsushi]
- richard: we should put into i18n checker first
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:31:00 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
- 14:31:08 [atsushi]
- addison: no new incoming
- 14:31:27 [atsushi]
- ... SPC, have some time, also we have some issue raised
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 9
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- agendum 9 -- Rechartering -- taken up [from addison]
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-minutes.html addison
- 14:32:20 [atsushi]
- richard: new charters went to AC, 31 responses, no request of change, couple of people to thank us
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- ... approved this week
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- ... we will be rechartering from Oct/1st
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- ... everybody need to rejoin!
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- richard: no impact on IG
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- zakim, take up agendum 6
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- agendum 6 -- Localizable and metadata in DOMException et al -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:35:39 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Awebidl
- 14:36:21 [atsushi]
- addison: I created pending issues, since repository is in personeal's repository
- 14:36:42 [atsushi]
- ... so, note, this actually not track the issue
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- https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1024
- 14:37:30 [atsushi]
- addison: we are talking with WebIDL, that we want to request localizable DOMException
- 14:37:48 [atsushi]
- ... JS exception does not have such capability, so redirected to TC39
- 14:38:43 [atsushi]
- addison: some spec use message in their data, and proposed to have some guideline text
- 14:38:48 [atsushi]
- ... answer was mostly no
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- ... since these messages are mostly only used by developers
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- ... so, still open to get comments
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- richard: key thing here, is the people stop writing user readerble text but use code, and user could use localized text for display
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- addison: if one have natural language text without direction, could not be displayed correctly
- 14:41:54 [atsushi]
- addison: if there is no type in WebIDL for localizable message
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- ... DOMException have some unused attributes, like message (natural language string), challange is these could be used to show in user interface
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- https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1025
- 14:45:21 [atsushi]
- addison: most important one for us is localizable type
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- dictionary NotificationOptions {
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- NotificationDirection dir = "auto";
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- DOMString lang = "";
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- DOMString body = "";
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- DOMString tag = "";
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- USVString image;
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- USVString icon;
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- USVString badge;
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- VibratePattern vibrate;
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- DOMTimeStamp timestamp;
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- boolean renotify = false;
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- boolean silent = false;
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- boolean requireInteraction = false;
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- any data = null;
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- sequence<NotificationAction> actions = [];
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- };
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- https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/
- 14:48:47 [atsushi]
- addison: my preference is to build a package that could be used by specs
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- ... with a reference to the document
- 14:49:39 [r12a]
- The notification’s language specifies the primary language for the notification’s title, body and the title of each of its actions.
- 14:50:30 [atsushi]
- addison: my preference is to have a localizable type, which could be directly used from IDL in specs
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- https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1023
- 14:52:47 [atsushi]
- addison: our most specific issue 1023, DOMException does not do this
- 14:53:21 [atsushi]
- ... if we decide that DOMException is not localizable, this will work
- 14:54:03 [atsushi]
- ... pending label is to follow our process, we haven't discussed this in group yet
- 14:54:19 [atsushi]
- richard: +1 to remove pending
- 14:55:28 [atsushi]
- addison: feel free to scribe to these issues and to add comments
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- Topic: AOB?
- 14:56:42 [atsushi]
- addison: SPC to next week
- 14:56:57 [atsushi]
- xfq: changed color of webidl label on tracker repository
- 14:57:46 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- zakim, who is here?
- 14:57:52 [Zakim]
- Present: Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Addison, JcK, Bert
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- On IRC I see JcK, xfq, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, sangwhan, koji, astearns, hsivonen, cwilso, hadleybeeman, Bert, florian, bigbluehat, Mek, agendabot, trackbot
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- zakim, bye
- 14:58:01 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Addison, JcK, Bert
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