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13:40:39 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:40:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:40:45 <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2021
13:40:56 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:41:03 <addison> agendabot, find agenda
13:41:03 <agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
13:41:04 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Sep/0022.html
13:41:04 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:41:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:41:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:41:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:41:08 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:41:10 <agendabot> agenda+ TPAC planning
13:41:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Localizable and metadata in DOMException et al
13:41:15 <agendabot> agenda+ "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews
13:41:17 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:41:25 <addison> agenda+ Rechartering
13:50:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-minutes.html addison
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14:02:46 <addison> present+ Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Addison
14:03:27 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:03:28 <addison> present+ JcK
14:06:25 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:06:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:27 <addison> agenda?
14:06:43 <atsushi> addison: anything to add?
14:06:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:06:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:57 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:24 <addison> action-1048?
14:07:24 <trackbot> action-1048 -- Addison Phillips to Create PR on webauthn with new metadata proposal -- due 2021-07-21 -- OPEN
14:07:24 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1048
14:07:32 <addison> close action-1048
14:07:32 <trackbot> Closed action-1048.
14:07:36 <atsushi> addison: did 1048, replaced rader
14:07:47 <addison> action-1051?
14:07:47 <trackbot> action-1051 -- Addison Phillips to File issues about domexception against webidl to add metadata and to provide for localizability -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
14:07:47 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1051
14:08:15 <atsushi> addison: 1051, filed issues, there is a discussion in the issue
14:08:40 <atsushi> ... it seems we may not get what we have asked, added as agendum
14:08:41 <addison> close action-1051
14:08:41 <trackbot> Closed action-1051.
14:09:48 <addison> action-1077?
14:09:48 <trackbot> action-1077 -- Addison Phillips to Ping ian about joint meeting during tpac in re: secure payment confirmation -- due 2021-09-16 -- OPEN
14:09:48 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1077
14:10:01 <addison> close action-1077
14:10:01 <trackbot> Closed action-1077.
14:10:16 <addison> action-1078?
14:10:16 <trackbot> action-1078 -- Addison Phillips to Review payment-request issues -- due 2021-09-16 -- OPEN
14:10:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1078
14:10:17 <atsushi> addison: did 1077, and have a time and date by email
14:10:36 <atsushi> addison: did 1078, closed number of them, and pointed a list for discussion
14:11:06 <atsushi> addison: 1079, could not attend call yesterday, and have not updated at the issue
14:11:32 <addison> action-1081?
14:11:33 <trackbot> action-1081 -- Richard Ishida to Proofread the uax50 letter from citpc -- due 2021-09-23 -- OPEN
14:11:33 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1081
14:12:16 <atsushi> richard: the latest one was the same as the wiki
14:12:40 <atsushi> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/pull/305/files
14:13:31 <atsushi> https://github.com/himorin/jlreq/blob/uax50-reformat/docs/uax-with-aj1/Request-to-revise-UAX-50-for-the-harmonization-with-Adobe-Japan1.md
14:13:47 <atsushi> atsushi: forgot to merge PR for the final draft.
14:13:56 <atsushi> richard: will check
14:14:05 <addison> action-1082?
14:14:05 <trackbot> action-1082 -- Addison Phillips to Establish tpac agenda page and put our various meetings with other groups there also -- due 2021-09-23 -- OPEN
14:14:05 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1082
14:14:13 <addison> https://www.w3.org/wiki/I18N_2021_TPAC
14:14:16 <xfq> present+ Bert
14:14:17 <atsushi> addison: did 1082, on wiki
14:14:24 <addison> close action-1082
14:14:24 <trackbot> Closed action-1082.
14:14:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:14:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:14:40 <atsushi> ... bookmark the wiki page if you need to have
14:14:46 <atsushi> addison: any info share?
14:15:15 <atsushi> xfq: HR tracker bot had stopped a several days ago, and already reported, will work normally shortly
14:15:28 <atsushi> jck: how about ping to unicode?
14:15:50 <atsushi> addison: in my actions, email discussion held with Felix
14:16:16 <atsushi> ... we already have a registry for subtags, the concern is nobody haven't touched the relevant RFCs
14:16:53 <atsushi> jck: one could write a note to point this as a registry
14:16:59 <atsushi> ... I could work.
14:17:57 <atsushi> ... my concern is that we ended up and IETF would not take, resulting to have two registries
14:18:23 <atsushi> ... let me take a time to write lines, to explain above
14:18:40 <addison> action: JcK: write the ADs about creating language subtag URL reference
14:18:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1083 - Write the ads about creating language subtag url reference [on John Klensin - due 2021-09-30].
14:19:32 <atsushi> addison: two kind of references, one for subtag, harder thing is a reference to language tags, simply a list of urls
14:19:49 <atsushi> ... language tags are harder, additional stuffs could be there
14:20:21 <atsushi> jck: a proposal, making normative reference in W3C which we can maintain
14:21:09 <atsushi> addison: I will see what they would say, including on BCP47
14:22:42 <atsushi> richard: developed something on @@Kashimly
14:22:55 <atsushi> ... unicode standard is not clearly state on this script
14:23:01 <atsushi> ... compound is not well supported
14:23:10 <atsushi> ... could use similar script although.
14:23:41 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/pickers/arab-ks/
14:23:41 <atsushi> ... discussed with colleagues working on this, and updated character picker page
14:23:45 <addison> s/@@Kashimly/Khashmiri/
14:24:07 <atsushi> [richard explains some usages]
14:24:29 <atsushi> richard: with check! button, you could see lines of recommended and not
14:25:50 <atsushi> ... I will extend this check capability to other scripts
14:29:42 <atsushi> richard: we should put into i18n checker first
14:30:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:30:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:31:00 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:31:08 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:31:27 <atsushi> ... SPC, have some time, also we have some issue raised
14:31:29 <addison> agenda?
14:31:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:31:51 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Rechartering -- taken up [from addison]
14:32:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:32:20 <atsushi> richard: new charters went to AC, 31 responses, no request of change, couple of people to thank us
14:32:30 <atsushi> ... approved this week
14:32:40 <atsushi> ... we will be rechartering from Oct/1st
14:32:49 <atsushi> ... everybody need to rejoin!
14:34:16 <atsushi> richard: no impact on IG
14:35:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:35:08 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Localizable and metadata in DOMException et al -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:35:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Awebidl
14:36:21 <atsushi> addison: I created pending issues, since repository is in personeal's repository
14:36:42 <atsushi> ... so, note, this actually not track the issue
14:36:59 <addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1024
14:37:30 <atsushi> addison: we are talking with WebIDL, that we want to request localizable DOMException
14:37:48 <atsushi> ... JS exception does not have such capability, so redirected to TC39
14:38:43 <atsushi> addison: some spec use message in their data, and proposed to have some guideline text
14:38:48 <atsushi> ... answer was mostly no
14:39:02 <atsushi> ... since these messages are mostly only used by developers
14:39:14 <atsushi> ... so, still open to get comments
14:40:28 <atsushi> richard: key thing here, is the people stop writing user readerble text but use code, and user could use localized text for display
14:41:06 <atsushi> addison: if one have natural language text without direction, could not be displayed correctly
14:41:54 <atsushi> addison: if there is no type in WebIDL for localizable message
14:42:57 <atsushi> ... DOMException have some unused attributes, like message (natural language string), challange is these could be used to show in user interface
14:45:15 <addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1025
14:45:21 <atsushi> addison: most important one for us is localizable type
14:47:02 <r12a> dictionary NotificationOptions {
14:47:02 <r12a>   NotificationDirection dir = "auto";
14:47:02 <r12a>   DOMString lang = "";
14:47:04 <r12a>   DOMString body = "";
14:47:06 <r12a>   DOMString tag = "";
14:47:08 <r12a>   USVString image;
14:47:10 <r12a>   USVString icon;
14:47:12 <r12a>   USVString badge;
14:47:14 <r12a>   VibratePattern vibrate;
14:47:16 <r12a>   DOMTimeStamp timestamp;
14:47:18 <r12a>   boolean renotify = false;
14:47:20 <r12a>   boolean silent = false;
14:47:22 <r12a>   boolean requireInteraction = false;
14:47:24 <r12a>   any data = null;
14:47:26 <r12a>   sequence<NotificationAction> actions = [];
14:47:28 <r12a> };
14:47:31 <addison> https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/
14:48:47 <atsushi> addison: my preference is to build a package that could be used by specs
14:48:56 <atsushi> ... with a reference to the document
14:49:39 <r12a> The notification’s language specifies the primary language for the notification’s title, body and the title of each of its actions.
14:50:30 <atsushi> addison: my preference is to have a localizable type, which could be directly used from IDL in specs
14:52:41 <addison> https://github.com/heycam/webidl/issues/1023
14:52:47 <atsushi> addison: our most specific issue 1023, DOMException does not do this
14:53:21 <atsushi> ... if we decide that DOMException is not localizable, this will work
14:54:03 <atsushi> ... pending label is to follow our process, we haven't discussed this in group yet
14:54:19 <atsushi> richard: +1 to remove pending
14:55:28 <atsushi> addison: feel free to scribe to these issues and to add comments
14:56:33 <addison> Topic: AOB?
14:56:42 <atsushi> addison: SPC to next week
14:56:57 <atsushi> xfq: changed color of webidl label on tracker repository
14:57:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/23-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:57:52 <addison> zakim, who is here?
14:57:52 <Zakim> Present: Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Addison, JcK, Bert
14:57:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, xfq, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, sangwhan, koji, astearns, hsivonen, cwilso, hadleybeeman, Bert, florian, bigbluehat, Mek, agendabot, trackbot
14:58:00 <addison> zakim, bye
14:58:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Addison, JcK, Bert
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