W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

20 May 2021

Attendees

Present
Addison, atsushi, Bert, fsasaki, Fuqiao, JcK, r12a
Regrets
Felix
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
atsushi

Meeting minutes

<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference

Agenda Review

Action Items

<addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

<addison> action-1022?

<trackbot> Error querying: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.

<addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1022

<addison> close action-1022

<trackbot> Closed action-1022.

<addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1024

<addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1026

<addison> close action-1026

<trackbot> Closed action-1026.

Info Share

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/3

richard: link above
… as told before, gap-analysis project is here
… consolidated items on this project
… exactly 100 issues listed, 63 need to be investigated
… once work done, moving to another column
… few additional idea on how issue is important, what relates

addison: documentation on what to do?

richard: you can open issue, following template
… template is written in pretty detail

addison: open to large community?

richard: need to be performed by TF participants
… if ones already in these groups, it's fantastic if they can take roles

richard: working on my application in personal site

<r12a> https://r12a.github.io/pickers/armn/

richard: lot of little tools here
… and making language tools into one bigger integrated tool
… left hand side, narrow box you can select type of input, and you can type characters/sentence with these

richard: you can share characters into other applications, like character use cases, or from uniview

RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

addison: CSS multicolumn layout module level 1

CSS column layout

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/153

xfq: in the issue, I've commented

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-multicol-1/

xfq: multicolumn layout can be adopted into writing mode

richard: implementers could be fully aware on vertical writing with this
… ones like short sentence could need some care
… the biggest issue for me is terminology
… it's been used for long time, one sentence in the spec mentions line with different direction

addison: to be action?

richard: whether asking to them for this?

xfq: yes, inline base direction for different writing mode could be mentioned, and it could be helpful for implementers

richard: agree. as editorial request

<r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/#generallayout

richard: have some example for mongolian, need some more from other language

atsushi: will work on for japanese

Action: richard: file issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1027 - File issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-05-27].

personalization semantics issue

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144

xfq: team contact said to me on the issue above
… asked whether we are satisfied with this or not, for expected publicaiton of spec in near future

richard: addison reopened the issue, what was the reason?

xfq: still have some open issues
… this issue is for metadata, rely on lang and dir

addison: question is that symbology follows the same language and direction

richard: the first comment addison made could be clearer about the problem we are concerned about

addison: don't understand what there reply states...
… will comment with questions to this issue

Action: addison: update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1028 - Update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-05-27].

Charmod Edits, Publish to TR?

<addison> http://aphillips.github.io/charmod-norm/

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/pull/215

addison: based on my action items, PR opened here

<addison> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/charmod-norm/215/21284b0...aphillips:5ea3dc9.html

addison: this is to address, moving normalization before casefold, and move optional to the last
… one is 2.4.1 and other is 3.2.2.4

addison: question is ready to go, and ready to be published

richard: this casefolding is working, if normalization taken?
… it should be clear, optional step 3, re-normalize to NFC, have to be done again

addison: recommending NF as output

richard: like IPA, better to be in NFC than NFD

richard: making two points, step 3 before unicode normalization
… steps [..lost..]

bert: there is two case folding in the last sentence of the first para in 2.4.1

addison: in result, couples of edits to do

richard: example 26 is ok?

Web payments status

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0010.html

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues/948

addison: web payments issues, two of not-filed review issues are merged into one another issue

<addison> 1357, 1359 close

richard: haven't checked in detail, two - 1359 and 1357 should be closed

addison: could add one tracker for the filed issue

open tracker issues about personalization-semantics

xfq: we can see some our open tracker issues on personalization semantics

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Apersonalization-semantics-content

richard: we need to close trackers which could be closed

addison: check and review them, and take actions (to close) if any

Action: addison: review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1029 - Review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-05-27].

richard: looking through html, will put a list together for next week

personalization semantics issue

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/878

xfq: have reviewed not all of these yet

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/141

xfq: tracker 878 is related to our previous ones for metadata

richard: we may need to point some reference
… still question, in arabic books, use their symbol or numerics

addison: its something like signed language, could be turned into some characters

<addison> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/

[reading content module]

<addison> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/#symbol-example

richard: see example 12, as a sentence

addison: still replaced based on each word

richard: i could clear some time tomorrow to look in more detail

AOB?

<r12a> rssagent, draft minutes

Summary of action items

  1. richard: file issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical
  2. addison: update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions
  3. addison: review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 131 (Sat Apr 24 15:23:43 2021 UTC).

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Maybe present: richard, xfq