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13:45:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:45:40 <trackbot> Date: 20 May 2021
13:45:41 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0009.html
13:45:41 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:45:41 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:45:41 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:45:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:45:46 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:45:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Charmod Edits, Publish to TR?
13:45:51 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:46:05 <addison> agenda+ Web payments status
13:47:18 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:47:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-i18n-minutes.html addison
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13:58:26 <addison> present+ Addison, Fuqiao
14:00:15 <xfq> present+ atsushi
14:03:01 <addison> regrets+ Felix
14:03:21 <addison> scribenick: atsushi
14:03:24 <Bert> present+
14:03:31 <addison> agenda?
14:03:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:04 <addison> agenda+ personalization semantics issue
14:04:22 <addison> agenda+ CSS column layout
14:05:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
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14:05:24 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:23 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:06:25 <addison> action-1022?
14:06:35 <trackbot> Error querying: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
14:06:36 <xfq> present+ r12a
14:06:59 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1022
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14:08:10 <addison> close action-1022
14:08:11 <trackbot> Closed action-1022.
14:08:31 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1024
14:09:04 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1026
14:09:24 <addison> close action-1026
14:09:24 <trackbot> Closed action-1026.
14:09:41 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:09:41 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:10:37 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/3
14:10:42 <atsushi> richard: link above
14:10:59 <xfq> present+ fsasaki
14:11:38 <atsushi> ... as told before, gap-analysis project is here
14:11:58 <atsushi> ... consolidated items on this project
14:12:26 <atsushi> ... exactly 100 issues listed, 63 need to be investigated
14:12:55 <atsushi> ... once work done, moving to another column
14:13:20 <atsushi> ... few additional idea on how issue is important, what relates
14:13:32 <atsushi> addison: documentation on what to do?
14:13:50 <atsushi> richard: you can open issue, following template
14:14:01 <atsushi> ... template is written in pretty detail
14:14:13 <atsushi> addison: open to large community?
14:14:26 <atsushi> richard: need to be performed by TF participants
14:14:53 <atsushi> ... if ones already in these groups, it's fantastic if they can take roles
14:15:33 <atsushi> richard: working on my application in personal site
14:16:02 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/pickers/armn/
14:16:13 <atsushi> ... lot of little tools here
14:16:32 <atsushi> ... and making language tools into one bigger integrated tool
14:17:21 <atsushi> ... left hand side, narrow box you can select type of input, and you can type characters/sentence with these
14:18:35 <atsushi> richard: you can share characters into other applications, like character use cases, or from uniview
14:18:53 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:18:53 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:19:09 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:19:30 <atsushi> addison: CSS multicolumn layout module level 1
14:20:01 <addison> agenda?
14:20:15 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:20:15 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- CSS column layout -- taken up [from addison]
14:20:27 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/153
14:20:44 <atsushi> xfq: in the issue, I've commented
14:20:49 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-multicol-1/
14:21:10 <atsushi> ... multicolumn layout can be adopted into writing mode
14:21:33 <atsushi> richard: implementers could be fully aware on vertical writing with this
14:22:16 <atsushi> ... ones like short sentence could need some care
14:22:52 <atsushi> ... the biggest issue for me is terminology
14:23:16 <atsushi> ... it's been used for long time, one sentence in the spec mentions line with different direction
14:23:24 <atsushi> addison: to be action?
14:23:46 <atsushi> richard: whether asking to them for this?
14:24:13 <atsushi> xfq: yes, inline writing mode for different writing mode could be mentioned, and it could be helpful for implementers
14:24:27 <atsushi> richard: agree. as editorial request
14:24:51 <xfq> s/inline writing mode/inline base direction/
14:25:16 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/#generallayout
14:25:18 <atsushi> ... have some example for mongolian, need some more from other language
14:25:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:25:33 <atsushi> atsushi: will work on for japanese
14:26:04 <addison> action: richard: file issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical
14:26:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1027 - File issue on css multi-col to clarify columns in vertical [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-05-27].
14:26:10 <addison> agenda?
14:26:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:26:30 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- personalization semantics issue -- taken up [from addison]
14:26:47 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144
14:26:53 <atsushi> xfq: team contact said to me on the issue above
14:27:22 <atsushi> ... asked whether we are satisfied with this or not, for expected publicaiton of spec in near future
14:28:03 <atsushi> richard: addison reopened the issue, what was the reason?
14:28:28 <atsushi> xfq: still have some open issues
14:29:06 <atsushi> ... this issue is for metadata, rely on lang and dir
14:29:37 <atsushi> addison: question is that symbology follows the same language and direction
14:30:18 <atsushi> richard: the first comment addison made is well clear and mentions the problem
14:31:10 <r12a> s/the first comment addison made is well clear and mentions the problem/the first comment addison made could be clearer about the problem we are concerned about/
14:32:05 <atsushi> addison: don't understand what there reply states...
14:32:43 <atsushi> ... will comment with questions to this issue
14:32:48 <addison> agenda?
14:33:08 <addison> action: addison: update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions
14:33:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1028 - Update personalization-semantics issue with clarifying statements and questions [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-05-27].
14:33:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:33:37 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Charmod Edits, Publish to TR? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:33:52 <addison> http://aphillips.github.io/charmod-norm/
14:34:07 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/charmod-norm/pull/215
14:34:15 <atsushi> addison: based on my action items, PR opened here
14:34:29 <addison> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/charmod-norm/215/21284b0...aphillips:5ea3dc9.html
14:35:07 <atsushi> addison: this is to address, moving normalization before casefold, and move optional to the last
14:36:01 <atsushi> ... one is 2.4.1 and other is 3.2.2.4
14:36:47 <atsushi> addison: question is ready to go, and ready to be published
14:37:12 <atsushi> richard: this casefolding is working, if normalization taken?
14:38:25 <atsushi> ... it should be clear, optional step 3, re-normalize to NFC, have to be done again
14:38:43 <atsushi> addison: recommending NF as output
14:39:26 <atsushi> richard: like IPA, better to be in NFC than NFD
14:39:52 <atsushi> richard: making two points, step 3 before unicode normalization
14:40:27 <atsushi> ... steps [..lost..]
14:42:22 <atsushi> bert: there is two case folding in the second part
14:42:41 <atsushi> addison: in result, couples of edits to do
14:43:03 <atsushi> richard: example 26 is ok?
14:43:16 <Bert> s/in the second part/in the last sentence of the first para in 2.4.1/
14:43:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:43:50 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Web payments status -- taken up [from addison]
14:44:02 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021May/0010.html
14:44:35 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues/948
14:44:46 <atsushi> addison: web payments issues, two of not-filed review issues are merged into one another issue
14:45:33 <addison> 1357, 1359 close
14:45:35 <atsushi> richard: haven't checked in detail, two - 1359 and 1357 should be closed
14:46:22 <atsushi> addison: could add one tracker for the filed issue
14:46:37 <r12a> q+
14:46:47 <addison> Topic: open tracker issues about personalization-semantics
14:46:50 <atsushi> xfq: we can see some our open tracker issues on personalization semantics
14:47:03 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Apersonalization-semantics-content
14:47:06 <atsushi> richard: we need to close trackers which could be closed
14:47:37 <atsushi> addison: check and review them, and take actions (to close) if any
14:47:39 <addison> action: addison: review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed
14:47:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1029 - Review payment-request issues and mark for close as needed [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-05-27].
14:48:38 <atsushi> richard: looking through html, will put a list together for next week
14:48:55 <atsushi> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:48:55 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- personalization semantics issue -- taken up [from addison]
14:49:28 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/878
14:49:35 <atsushi> xfq: have reviewed not all of these yet
14:49:49 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/141
14:50:13 <atsushi> xfq: tracker 878 is related to our previous ones for metadata
14:51:26 <atsushi> richard: we may need to point some reference
14:52:25 <atsushi> ... still question, in arabic books, use their symbol or numerics
14:54:24 <atsushi> addison: its something like signed language, could be turned into some characters
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14:55:34 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/
14:56:15 <atsushi> [reading content module]
14:56:25 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/#symbol-example
14:57:14 <atsushi> richard: see example 12, as a sentence
14:57:26 <atsushi> addison: still replaced based on each word
14:59:40 <atsushi> richard: have a clear day to see in deep
15:00:14 <r12a> s/have a clear day to see in deep/i could clear some time tomorrow to look in more detail/
15:03:17 <addison> Topic: AOB?
15:04:37 <r12a> rssagent, draft minutes
15:04:46 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:04:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/20-i18n-minutes.html r12a
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15:09:05 <atsushi> (sorry for low quality scribing today...)
15:58:55 <addison> zakim, bye
15:58:55 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Fuqiao, atsushi, Bert, JcK, r12a, fsasaki
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