www.w3.org/ WAI/ GL/ task-forces/ coga/ wiki/ PlanningPage#group_actions_.2Ftodo_for_next_publication
<LisaSeemanKest> jennie - images going well!
I am also moving forward on the issues
Lisa: Justine has been working on issues, and we will talk about the icons in a later item
Justine: I have been breaking some of the larger issues into subissues
Lisa: Which one?
Justine: Issue #163
Lisa: That's a new one
… This came in a while ago
Justine: It is listed on our tracker in row 80, and says to break it into sub topics, so I took on that action
Lisa: Have you started doing it yet?
Justine: I have completed issue 9
… I am breaking them out in the COGA issue tracker
… In the Google Spreadsheet
Lisa: Normally when there are 3 or 5 issues, they are done by one person, but this one is quite big.
… OK. Maybe also send an email to Rachael that you are doing it
… She may have broken it up already in the Google doc
Justine: OK. I did send Rachael an email. I'm just waiting to hear back from her.
Lisa: OK I think we should have a call if possible so we are all on the same page.
… or at least an email thread. Can you add Jennie and I to that email thread so we are all in agreement?
Lisa: David was going to speak with Autism Speaks
David F: I reached out to some groups, but am having some difficulty reaching the groups. And I was reluctant to speak to one of the groups.
… I reached out to my contacts at work, and asked them to reach out to the organizations they work with
… I also reached out to another group, and will follow up with them
… I have not heard back from anyone just yet.
Lisa: Can we ask you to be a bit more aggressive and get responses from more people
David F: I did an online poll, and got about 50 responses, but it is a mixed group of people.
… Interesting, it is about 50/50
Lisa: Is that on your LinkedIn?
David F: yes
Lisa: Then we can all look at the responses there.
David F: It is a passionate conversation
Lisa: I think it is reasonable for us to say we are more interested in responses from people with autism
David F: that's what I tried to do
Lisa: If you write up a conclusion to the list based on the results
David F: The people that don't have a disability always say person first
… The people with autism - identify first appears to be the preference
Lisa: If that can go into an email and we have that on record
David F: Give me another week and I can get more concrete information
… For E.A.'s item I will send her an email
… Roy has merged part 1 into the git and done some other things
Roy: I did a pull request and asked for a request from you and Rachael
Lisa: Do you have the rawgit?
Roy: yes but I also created a demo to show the collapse and expand
… also the Part 1
Roy: The pull request does not include the demo
… the demo is under the summary
<Fazio> Here's the link to my LinkedIn Poll on Person 1st language regarding Autism https://
Roy: On the demo, if it is ok, I will implement in all of the document
Lisa: I got through most of my edit, but I have more to do
… I also have some issues to read through
… Rachael has a couple of items as well
<LisaSeemanKest> regrets ea, rachael\
set calls for editorial review
Lisa: We have a lot of editorial work to complete
… Steve - could you email me as to when it is good for us to get to more editorial work?
images update and icons. See ocns at https://
docs.google.com/ document/ d/ 1aRoYev1aAIHhIq37Itt96ueBwLh5zXMUeJBYxL0MCkQ/ edit#
Lisa: the images - we are running late
I can report on the schedule/timeline next week
Lisa: If you want to send this to the list earlier that works too
Lisa: We had some feedback in regards to the icons from the internationalization group
<LisaSeemanKest> icon review: https://
Lisa: this is a link to the issue
… where they had some comments
Lisa: this is a link to different icons we have been working on
… for icon 1: they said that in Japan (I think) they found the meaning confusing
… circle means correct, and a checkmark in some places means incorrect
… I don't know if we want to rereview the icon, or if it can be considered close enough
Roy: In China we don't have specific meanings - maybe I should try to do some research on this for China and Japan and then tell you
Lisa: To you it looks like checkboxes and radio buttons?
Roy: It looks good to me, but I am not sure if it is ok for Chinese or Japanese people
Lisa: I think we were more worried about offending people
… The comments were from R12A
David F: We have a translator for the accessibility guidelines working group - I can send this to him to have him review it
Lisa: That would be fantastic
Roy: I think Richard is the commenter and his wife is Japanese so he is familiar with Japanese culture
Lisa: He wrote checkmark - in some Asian cultures means different things
… But our new icon is clearer - I think we just need more feedback on the new icon
… The new one from last week
… idea 2.2 is next to it
… It is a square and a circle to the left, another to the right
… It should be a bit clearer
… We will get more feedback on it before we do anything further - correct?
David F: yes
Lisa: The next one we are discussing is icon 4
… The commenter said he preferred the original one
… It was a pie graph and a chart
… He suggested it might be easier if the pie chart had color
… Should we take a quick poll - do you prefer the new one or the old one
<LisaSeemanKest> new(3) or old(pie and graph)
<JustineP> 0 - torn between the two
Lisa: We had person in the comments saying they didn't like the original, now we have someone saying they prefer the original
… I think we will leave it with the current consensus
… Now we are looking at the icon for 5 Help users avoid mistakes
Justine: I'm concerned that if we add anything we will have extra clutter and that may impact people with low vision
Lisa: I agree
… Moving to Icon 7 - the image with an index finger with a bow on it
… there is also one with a head with a disk inside the head
… Internationalization may mean it is not understood, not just if it offends people
… I like the reminder
… This is images suggesting memory, not reminders exactly
… We could look for another idea, we could go with the original one
<LisaSeemanKest> what do we want to do
Lisa: It is not offending anyone
<LisaSeemanKest> first draft
<LisaSeemanKest> jennie - other options
Lisa: Anyone else think we should look for other options?
Kris Anne: I know that there is a lot of work being done on icons
… I will reach out to Shawn Henry to find out where those are - they have a head with a brain
… I'm wondering if that might work
Lisa: It might
… This is for ensuring processes don't rely on memory
… I don't know if memory is the right icon
… It is also cognitive accessibility
… If using a WAI icon that means cognitive, but this is specific, it may be the wrong association
Kris Anne: OK, that's fine
<LisaSeemanKest> jenie: ask ea
Lisa: I think the action is to ask on the list for ideas for this symbol
… If we don't have any by next week, we can ask the person who commented if they have a suggestion
Lisa: OK I will post this to the list
issue 141 maths https://
lists.w3.org/ Archives/ Public/ public-cognitive-a11y-tf/ 2021Jan/ 0043.html
Justine: An individual submitted an issue and felt that using the abbreviated term math can be confused for being a noun or a verb
… We explored using math, or if it would be preferred to use mathematical or mathmatics
… I spoke with John Rochford and he felt that using math was preferred
… I think to address this concern we can put, after the first instance in the document, information to clarify the meaning
Justine: I sent a suggestion to the list with that recommendation
David F: I think that follows standard best practice
Lisa: We have a document with the list of edits that still need to be done
<LisaSeemanKest> justien add it to the todo list at https://
Justine: That sounds fine to me, and I will close out the issue and send a reply
issue 144 - adding benigits to AAC https://
lists.w3.org/ Archives/ Public/ public-cognitive-a11y-tf/ 2021Jan/ 0038.html
it is about 143!
Object permanence. and Motor automaticity
proposal at https://
<Jennie> Lisa: you said next draft and I think you version
<Jennie> I can do that
<Jennie> Lisa: I think adding a sentence saying we can add some clarification to 4.2.3 and 4.3.4 and I put it in the editors' to do list
4.2.3 (before “This pattern helps by:”)
Using a standard Visual layout, and consistently positioning elements consistently will help user rely on muscle memory to use them.
Add and in”use”
Element are consistently positioned across pages
<Jennie> ...We can add some clarifications
4.3.4: Add: Many uses will not find content by paging through different screens
6.2.1 Amy Scenario 1: Add
Amy copes best when important elements are consistently positioned where she can see them. She can focus on the actual content and not finding things.
<Jennie> ...Very small commets
<Jennie> ...We can say adding into 4.2.3 into how it helps (reads from text above)
<Jennie> ...using word for word what they say
<Jennie> ...And in 4.3.4 (reads from text above)
<Jennie> ...I thought we could add to Amy's story (reads from above)
<Jennie> David F: I'm all for adding the concepts we need, but in regards to automaticity is this part of the scope of what we are doing
<Jennie> ...We are talking about cognitive situations
<Jennie> ...Seems like we are opening the door for other scenarios that are not related
It is a concept well researched in regards to AAC and it does line up with being included
Lisa: I think we add some clarification for how it helps and add more in a future version
… This first part is just editorial
… And then David we could discuss this for future versions
if the group is ok i am
Straw poll #1: are you ok with the responses including the examples from the current document
<LisaSeemanKest> scrtch that
<LisaSeemanKest> Just example +1
Lisa: many write an email to the list and have people vote
Lisa: Would people prefer this?
Lisa: Maybe we can close this one on the list. Is everyone ok with that?
expand and colupse see https://
raw.githack.com/ w3c/ coga/ expand-demo/ content-usable/ index.html#summary
Lisa: OK we will try to resolve that one more on the list (referencing previous item)
… (discussing agenda item 6)
… They want a table in each section from the appendix
… they found the tables very useful
… Roy was able to add a more details element which could expand
… we could put the table in this details section which can expand
… For the plain language summary of the document, just after the table of contents
Steve: I like the plain language summary because it is short and concise - a quick overview
… putting the details in removes some of this. The personas will help, but the tables may be more than you normally see in the summary
Lisa: Does anyone want the mapping in it?
<Fazio> Agree with Steve
Lisa: -1 if you don't want the mapping in
Lisa: OK we don't want the mapping
… Do we want the details which expand
… and maybe add a link to the tables
<LisaSeemanKest> See also: user needs, design patterns and user testing for objective 1 and persona mapping.
Steve: I prefer that
… We have user needs in each one
Lisa: so we don't need to link to the mappings?
Lisa: Do we want this sentence in a pop up details?
Steve: I think plain text at the top
Lisa: Does anyone want it in pop up details?
… I am not hearing anyone liking it
<LisaSeemanKest> steve -1
David F: will anyone have problems with pop up blockers?
Steve: it is more of an expand
*Lisa - I have to drop off - can you wrap up the minutes?