W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

10 December 2020

Attendees

Present
addison, Atsushi, fantasai, fsasaki, Richard, xfq
Regrets
-
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison, bert

Meeting minutes

trackbot, prepare teleconference

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<agendabot> Sorry, I did not find an agenda.

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Agenda

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-980?

<trackbot> action-980: Richard Ishida to Review css-3 issues with xfq@ -- due 2020-12-10 -- OPEN

Info Share

<r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/featurelist/

richard: feature comparison list updated
… if you click on toggle type details, a lot more info than previous
… if you want circumgraphs (glyph around base)... there are six that are there out of the list
… stuff like that or composite vowels and such are all new

next week: last meeting of year, sans richard

Radar

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

<xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1001

Action: addison: propose text for a stock health warning about selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in spec-dev

<trackbot> Created ACTION-982 - Propose text for a stock health warning about selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in spec-dev [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].

Action: addison: notify completion of DOM review

<trackbot> Created ACTION-983 - Notify completion of dom review [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].

https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1530#pullrequestreview-548596741

CSS Text review

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0003.html

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/95

r12a: Basically, not sure we have a complete answer, but copied into klreq repo and meanwhile issue can be closed.

addison: Reason for us to close the text issue?

r12a: It's old, and I think css-text handles it.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/165

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221

r12a: the fix for 165 seems non-controversial, so I second xfq's proposal to close.

r12a: 221: line-break no longer labeled as "at risk", so we can close it.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/224

r12a: So, Elika, you ca now go ahead with css-text.

Action: addison: update css-text review request to note completion

<trackbot> Created ACTION-984 - Update css-text review request to note completion [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].

fantasai: Can you say something in the review request that I can point to?

r12a: 224: upshot is that it looks good to me.

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/146

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/337

xfq: The issue was not addressed and fantasai rasied a new one.

fantasai: We marked transformaton section as undefined and we said it needs to be reopend agains css-text level 4

r12a: Yes, I remember. We need to track 5017 instead.

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/544

r12a: that is our #895.

r12a: 544: I'm happy, it is now clearer, propose to close.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/545

r12a: 545: Looks to me we don't need to track it anymore.

addison: Change appears to be done.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/603

r12a: 603: Was editorial. Looks good to me and to himorin, too.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895

addison: Now the ones you suggested to leave open.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/553

addison: We just talked about #895.

r12a: 553:

fantasai: That's a level-4 issue.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/556

r12a: 556: also level 4.
… I propsoe to add "needs-attention" label.

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/565

r12a: and remove the close label.

r12a: 565: (these CSS issues are so long!)
… need to read i nmore detail.

addison: Are there other issues that need attention?

fantasai: Many issues for i18n, but no more on css-text-3 for now.

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5270

fantasai: I think nothing blocks CR for that one.

r12a: 5270:

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4246

fantasai: 5270 and 4246 are both css-text level 4.

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3861

fantasai: Yes, #3861 is interesting.
… most of it is about tracking with Unicode, since they don't have a public bug tracker....

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3487

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3775

r12a: 3775: I think it is resolved i the direction we were hoping. Can probably be closed.
… It was also closed by CSS.
… That was an interesting discussion, with ideas that have been floating around for a long time.

r12a: It's about what Assistive Tech does, isn't it?

fantasai: AT is based on what browser do.

xfq: and browsers have no interop...

r12a: I don't know if we want to close it now, since people didn't review it for this meeting.

r12a got thumbs up and two hearts on his comment.

Action: richard: study css 3775 for future action

<trackbot> Created ACTION-985 - Study css 3775 for future action [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-12-17].

of Aug 28.

fantasai: My question is if we should block CR while waiting in r12a's study.

r12a: I'd say no. There are some 40 or so tracker issues.

addison: I will do my action to document our response right after this call. And then you can request CR transition.

fantasai: Of all the reviews, I think the i18n issues are the most important for this spec.

addison: I'll update the review request and ping me if there is anything more.

AOB?

r12a: Elika and I have been discussing the first parenthesis about Unicode bidi algo . Take away, or move to the end?

fantasai: Line boxes do not affect ordering of the content.
… That is the bidi algo, as specificed in writing mode spec.

r12a: I'm not sure the parenthetical must be replaced, but maybe moved to the end.

fantasai: Two seperate concepts. line box direction is different form paragraph direction.
… Two bullet points define what the line box direction is.

r12a: The 2nd bullet says [sound fading]
… Maybe I should write it up...

r12a reading the spec text.

fantasai: The algo is all defined in CSS Writing Mode. Line box direction is independent and does not affect text order.
… The parenthetical is a reminder that they can be different, which is not obvious.
… I could make it a Note. But having the cross-reference is useful.
… Because people are going to be confused.

r12a: Maybe I'll write something else, or maybe I'll leave it...

fantasai: We can also talk together outside the call.

Summary of action items

  1. addison: propose text for a stock health warning about selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in spec-dev
  2. addison: notify completion of DOM review
  3. addison: update css-text review request to note completion
  4. richard: study css 3775 for future action
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