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14:46:00 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:46:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:46:06 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2020
14:46:07 <addison> agendabot, find agenda
14:46:07 <agendabot> addison, OK. This may take a minute...
14:46:08 <agendabot> Sorry, I did not find an agenda.
14:46:41 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0007.html
14:46:46 <agendabot> addison, sorry, I did not recognize any agenda in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0007.html
14:46:51 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:46:57 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:47:01 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:47:06 <addison> agenda+ Radar
14:47:14 <addison> agenda+ New Typographic Units article
14:47:31 <addison> agenda+ CSS Text review
14:47:44 <addison> agenda+ Webapp Manifest
14:47:50 <addison> agenda+ Charmod
14:47:58 <addison> agenda+ AOB?
14:48:03 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:48:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/12/10-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:01:07 <fantasai> present+ fantasai
15:01:12 <addison> present+
15:01:29 <addison> agenda+ MiniApp Manifest
15:02:26 <xfq> present+
15:02:34 <addison> present+ Richard
15:02:47 <addison> present+ Atsushi
15:03:23 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:03:28 <addison> agenda?
15:04:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:04:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:04:35 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:38 <addison> action-980?
15:05:38 <trackbot> action-980 -- Richard Ishida to Review css-3 issues with xfq@ -- due 2020-12-10 -- OPEN
15:05:38 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/980
15:06:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:06:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:06:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/12/10-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:07:27 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/featurelist/
15:07:29 <addison> richard: feature comparison list updated
15:07:46 <addison> ... if you click on toggle type details, a lot more info than previous
15:08:10 <addison> ... if you want circumgraphs (glyph around base)... there are six that are there out of the list
15:08:28 <addison> ... stuff like that or composite vowels and such are all new
15:10:55 <addison> next week: last meeting of year, sans richard
15:11:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:11:08 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar" taken up [from addison]
15:11:16 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
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15:14:12 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1001
15:18:37 <addison> action: addison: propose text for a stock health warning about selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in spec-dev
15:18:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-982 - Propose text for a stock health warning about selection/truncation e.g. on code units for inclusion in spec-dev [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].
15:19:01 <addison> action: addison: notify completion of DOM review
15:19:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-983 - Notify completion of dom review [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].
15:22:08 <addison> agenda?
15:25:05 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
15:26:28 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/1530#pullrequestreview-548596741
15:27:36 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:27:36 <Zakim> agendum 6. "CSS Text review" taken up [from addison]
15:28:03 <Bert> scribe: bert
15:28:22 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Dec/0003.html
15:28:57 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/95
15:29:46 <Bert> r12a: Basically, not sure we have a complete answer, but copied into klreq repo and meanwhile issue can be closed.
15:30:24 <Bert> addison: Reason for use to close the text issue?
15:30:52 <Bert> r12a: It's old, and I think css-text handles it.
15:30:54 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/165
15:31:25 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221
15:31:26 <Bert> r12a: the fix seems non-controversial, so I second xfq's proposal to close.
15:31:48 <Bert> s/fix/fix for 165/
15:32:14 <Bert> r12a: 221: no longer labeled as "at risk", so we can close it.
15:32:48 <Bert> s/no longer/line-break no longer/
15:33:03 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/224
15:33:32 <Bert> r12a: So, Elika, you ca now go ahead with css-text.
15:33:41 <addison> action: addison: update css-text review request to note completion
15:33:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-984 - Update css-text review request to note completion [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-12-17].
15:33:46 <Bert> fantasai: Can you say something in the review request that I can point to?
15:35:08 <Bert> r12a: 224: upshot is that it looks good to me.
15:35:16 <fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/146
15:35:21 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/337
15:35:37 <Bert> xfq: The issue wa snot addressed and fantasai rasied a new one.
15:36:00 <addison> s/wa snot/was not/
15:36:03 <Bert> fantasai: We marked transformaton section as undefined and we said it needs to be reopend agains css-text level 4
15:36:43 <Bert> r12a: Yes, I remember. We need to track 5017 instead.
15:37:19 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895
15:37:36 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/544
15:37:49 <Bert> ... that is our #895.
15:38:26 <Bert> r12a: 544: I'm happy, it is now clearer, propose to close.
15:38:32 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/545
15:39:27 <Bert> r12a: 545: Looks to me we don't need to track it anymore.
15:39:35 <Bert> addison: Change appears to be done.
15:39:43 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/603
15:40:06 <Bert> r12a: 603: Was editorial. Looks good to me and to himorin, too.
15:40:28 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/895
15:41:02 <Bert> addison: Now the ones you suggested to leave open.
15:41:12 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/553
15:41:12 <Bert> ... We just talked about #895.
15:41:24 <Bert> r12a: 553:
15:41:36 <Bert> fantasai: That's  a level-4 issue.
15:41:48 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/556
15:41:55 <Bert> r12a: 556: also level 4.
15:42:20 <Bert> ... I propsoe to add "needs-attention" label.
15:42:32 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/565
15:42:50 <Bert> ... and remove the close label.
15:43:27 <Bert> r12a: 565: (these CSS issues are so long!)
15:43:47 <Bert> ... need to read i nmore detail.
15:44:48 <Bert> addison: Are there other issues that need attention?
15:45:16 <Bert> fantasai: Many issues for i18n, but no more on css-text for now.
15:45:26 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5270
15:45:33 <Bert> ... I think nothing blocks CR for that one.
15:45:46 <Bert> r12a: 5270:
15:45:47 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4246
15:46:14 <Bert> fantasai: 5270 and 4246 are both css-text level 4.
15:46:18 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3861
15:46:39 <Bert> s/more on css-text/more on css-text-3/
15:47:05 <Bert> fantasai: Yes, #3861 is interesting.
15:47:30 <Bert> ... most of it is about tracking with Unicode.
15:47:47 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3487
15:47:56 <fantasai> s/Unicode/Unicode, since they don't have a public bug tracker.../
15:48:27 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/3775
15:49:04 <Bert> r12a: 3775: I think it is resolved i the direction we were hoping. Can probably be closed.
15:49:40 <Bert> ... It was also closed by CSS.
15:50:49 <Bert> ... That was an interesting discussion, with ideas that have been floating around for a long time.
15:52:11 <Bert> r12a: It's about what Assistive Tech does, isn't it?
15:52:33 <Bert> fantasai: AT is based on what browser do.
15:52:42 <Bert> xfq: and browsers have no interop...
15:53:32 <Bert> r12a: I don't know if we want to close it now, since people didn't review it for this meeting.
15:54:13 <Bert> r12a got thumbs up and two hearts on his comment.
15:54:38 <addison> action: richard: study css 3775 for future action
15:54:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-985 - Study css 3775 for future action [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-12-17].
15:54:45 <Bert> of Aug 28.
15:54:59 <addison> agenda?
15:55:32 <Bert> fantasai: My question is if we should block CR while waiting in r12a's study.
15:55:57 <Bert> r12a: I'd say no. There are some 40 or so tracker issues.
15:57:31 <Bert> addison: I will do my action to document our response right after this call. And then you can request CR transition.
15:58:14 <Bert> fantasai: Of all the reviews, I think the i18n issues are the most important for this spec.
15:58:56 <Bert> addison: I'll update the review request and ping me if there is anything more.
15:59:05 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:59:05 <Zakim> agendum 9. "AOB?" taken up [from addison]
16:00:10 <Bert> r12a: Elika and I have been discussing the first parenthesis about Unicode bidi algo . Take away, or move to the end?
16:00:35 <Bert> fantasai: Line boxes do not affect ordering of the content.
16:00:48 <Bert> ... That is the bidi algo, as specificed in writing mode spec.
16:01:13 <Bert> r12a: I'm not sure the parenthetical must be replaced, but maybe moved to the end.
16:01:57 <Bert> fantasai: Two seperate concepts. line box direction is different form paragraph direction.
16:02:17 <Bert> ... Two bullet points define what the line box direction is.
16:02:31 <Bert> r12a: The 2nd bullet says [sound fading]
16:03:16 <Bert> ... Maybe I should write it up...
16:03:45 <Bert> r12a reading the spec text.
16:05:20 <Bert> fantasai: The algo is all defined in CSS Writing Mode. Line box direction is independent and does not affect text order.
16:05:41 <Bert> ... The parenthetical is a reminder that they can be different, which is not obvious.
16:06:16 <Bert> ... I could make it a Note. But having the cross-reference is useful.
16:06:38 <Bert> ... Because people are going to be confused.
16:07:01 <Bert> r12a: Maybe I'll write something else, or maybe I'll leave it...
16:07:32 <Bert> fantasai: We can also talk together outside the call.
16:08:50 <Bert> zakim, end meeting
16:08:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fantasai, addison, xfq, Richard, Atsushi, fsasaki
16:08:52 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:08:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/12/10-i18n-minutes.html Zakim
16:08:55 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Bert; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:11:50 <Bert> RRSAgent, make minutes v2
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16:12:46 <Bert> i/prepare teleconference/scribe: addison
16:12:49 <Bert> RRSAgent, make minutes v2
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16:13:47 <Bert> s/Reason for use/Reason for us
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16:16:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/12/10-i18n-minutes.html Bert
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