Meeting minutes
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. Introduces self ...
. Approx 20 minute overview presentation, then discussion
. Summarizes challenges being addressed; including minimal challenge where people don't sometimes realize they're struggling with something the computer can help them overcome
. Example the builtin magnifier
. Next to make more available on the web
. Overviews assistive technology (AT)
. Also alternative UI or interaction modalities, eg. smart speakers
. Now reviews some issues using AT
. two levels of scrolling in two dimensions in an AT magnifier becomes problematic
. Suggests better adaptations might be smaller and more targeted usefulness
. lists some examples
. it's key that one might use more than one of these smaller adaptations at a time
. demonstrates a font adjustment that reduces scrolling to a single dimension
. Notes there are still challenges, eg. clipping; also hard to implement
. turns to research findings
. example: Supple where the UI is abstracted and created on the fly specifically to a user's constraints
. discusses Supple examples -- see URI in slides
. examples include the standard print dialog adapted for specific constraints
. Next discusses Daltonization which recognizes that people perceive color differently;
. this is about adjusting the displayed color pallate to adapt to the user's perceptual abilities
. Daltonization now available in Android and Apple
. Concern that it alters aesthetics of the displayed content
. demonstrates invert brightness vs. invert polarity
. changing colors can change meaning
. sometimes automated works, but not for everyone all the time; direct control can be advantageous
. Shows the "Cup of Tea" example from APA's Personalization TF
. notes importance of how best preferences should be expressed; maybe different per person per platform
<CharlesL> Here is our module https://www.w3.org/Personalization Semantics Content Module 1.0 link to the symbols section. https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html#symbol-explanation
. suggests personal info, eg. visual accuity, being applicable across platforms
. proposes possible topics for discussion
<Zakim> Janina, you wanted to ask whether "invert brightness" might be an RFE for CSS' Media Queries 5
<Joshue108> JS: Great presentation, the inverted brightness is a new concept
<Joshue108> I want to note this for the minutes and if we should ask the CSS working group if they have an idea
<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to ask about competing needs
janina: Notes CSS MQ5 and we should bring inverted brightness as another MQ for support to them
jo: suggests discussing competing needs
ma: Notes GPII slogan: "One size fits one"
matthew: Notes VoiceOver on Apple was first to very clearly highlight where the TTS is voicing
<Joshue108> Matt: adaptions can be granular
. adaptations promote collaboration that way
. also standards like WCAG end up encouraging content authoring that's adaptable
<Zakim> kevin, you wanted to ask about ethics and talk about adaptations for low literacy/cognitive impairment
kevin: Q re personalization ethics; re personal disclosure
. Do we really want to pipe your personal constraints into big data collection?
matthew: Definitely an important point and an issue not yet solved
. Notes the slippery slope
. Notes there is W3C work on privacy
<Zakim> Janina, you wanted to note group viewing issue
kevin: notes struggles with adaptations that simplify language for various COGA issues, can be difficult and involved
matthew: Notes real problems need to be solved by real people, doesn't expect automation
<Joshue108> JS: To add to that..
<Joshue108> Its on the road map in the Personalization TF work
<Joshue108> Annotation scaffolding can be added to make that possible
<Joshue108> Machine learning may help
<Joshue108> JS: My point was that adaptations are great for interfacing on your own
<Roy> Personalization in W3C: https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/
<Joshue108> Not great in group environments.
<Joshue108> We are bringing yet more usecases to second screen technology
<Zakim> stevelee, you wanted to comment on AT verse author
<CharlesL> Example in Module 2 - Easy Lang. https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-help-1.0/#easylang-explanation
steve: notes tension whether the server provides, or the user's local computing provides them
. but it goes further -- eg multiple versions
. Notes GPII "match maker" conceptual approach for adaptation
matthew: suggests it's incumbant on browser vendors to make these kinds of adaptations more easily findable and usable
. though there's also lots the local device can do as processing power grows
judy: notes W3C considers it ritical to develop ways to control privacy support
. need more people working in that area
<Joshue108> JS: I note we may not have a lot of conversation on this.
<Joshue108> notes WIRED article on reducing digital footprint
james: Notes CSS would want to see implementations for inverted brightness
. notes security important in these conversations
. notes the existing MQ features havequite broad use
. notes approaches that limit how much data is communicated upstream, cutting off servers that ask for too much
. notes increasing possibilities in ml
. and could be as simple as smart invert brightness
matthew: notes also work to reduce anxiety in web use; not just a11y, but to encourage purchasing on line
judy: notes expiriments around anxiety levling
<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to talk about assumptions of user ability
josh: concern about assumptions of what a user might need by way of adaptations
josh: do we need a trust model?
charles: advises many coga points discussed here are on the road map
<Zakim> Janina, you wanted to discuss security model and proxy services
<Joshue108> JS: The proxy server is where i wanted to go.
<Joshue108> This is rather generic issue
<Joshue108> Using single sign on providers could be used to expand on that trust model
<Joshue108> We can introduce the idea of using that proxy to handle personalisation may be a business mode
<Joshue108> beyond a11y
<stevelee> Great call Matt!!!