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13:26:26 <Zakim> Meeting: Innovative adaptation, personalization and assistive technologies
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13:54:28 <Janina> Can someone /msg me or email the password?
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13:59:24 <Janina> present+
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14:02:55 <Janina> matthew: Works on screen sharing ... One moment, please!
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14:04:23 <Janina> . Success!
14:04:38 <Janina> . Introduces self ...
14:05:38 <Janina> . Approx 20 minute overview presentation, then discussion
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14:06:47 <Janina> . Summarizes challenges being addressed; including minimal challenge where people don't sometimes realize they're struggling with something the computer can help them overcome
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14:06:57 <Janina> . Example the builtin magnifier
14:06:58 <Roy> present+
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14:07:18 <Janina> . Next to make more available on the web
14:07:20 <kevin> present+
14:07:39 <Janina> . Overviews assistive technology (AT)
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14:08:23 <Janina> . Also alternative UI or interaction modalities, eg. smart speakers
14:08:54 <Janina> . Now reviews some issues using AT
14:08:58 <Jemma> present+
14:09:35 <Janina> . two levels of scrolling in two dimensions in an AT magnifier becomes problematic
14:09:56 <Janina> . Suggests better adaptations might be smaller and more targeted usefulness
14:10:12 <Janina> . lists some examples
14:11:03 <Janina> . it's key that one might use more than one of these smaller adaptations at a time
14:11:30 <Janina> . demonstrates a font adjustment that reduces scrolling to a single dimension
14:12:10 <Janina> . Notes there are still challenges, eg. clipping; also hard to implement
14:12:31 <Janina> . turns to research opportunities
14:12:41 <Janina> s/opportunities/findings/
14:13:13 <Janina> . example: Supple where the UI is abstracted and created on the fly specifically to a user's constraints
14:13:50 <Janina> . discusses Supple examples -- see URI in slides
14:14:33 <Janina> . examples include the standard print dialog adapted for specific constraints
14:15:18 <Janina> . Next discusses Daltonization which recognizes that people perceive color differently;
14:15:42 <Janina> . this is about adjusting the displayed color pallate to adapt to the user's perceptual abilities
14:16:58 <Janina> . Daltonization now available in Android and Apple
14:17:19 <Janina> . Concern that it alters aesthetics of the displayed content
14:18:57 <Janina> . demonstrates invert brightness vs. invert polarity
14:19:10 <Janina> . changing colors can change meaning
14:20:41 <Janina> . sometimes automated works, but not for everyone all the time; direct control can be advantageous
14:21:04 <Janina> . Shows the "Cup of Tea" example from APA's Personalization TF
14:22:03 <Janina> q+ to ask whether "invert brightness" might be an RFE for CSS' Media Queries 5
14:22:41 <Janina> . notes importance of how best preferences should be expressed; maybe different per person per platform
14:22:57 <Joshue108> q+ to ask about competing needs
14:23:40 <CharlesL> Here is our module https://www.w3.org/Personalization Semantics Content Module 1.0 link to the symbols section.  https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/content/index.html#symbol-explanation
14:23:41 <Janina> . suggests personal info, eg. visual accuity, being applicable across platforms
14:24:21 <Janina> . proposes possible topics for discussion
14:25:31 <Joshue108> ack Jan
14:25:31 <Zakim> Janina, you wanted to ask whether "invert brightness" might be an RFE for CSS' Media Queries 5
14:25:48 <Joshue108> JS: Great presentation, the inverted brightness is a new concept
14:26:10 <Joshue108> I want to note this for the minutes and if we should ask the CSS working group if they have an idea
14:26:10 <kevin> q+ to ask about ethics and talk about adaptations for low literacy/cognitive impairment
14:26:20 <Joshue108> ack Joshue
14:26:20 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to ask about competing needs
14:26:46 <Janina> janina: Notes CSS MQ5 and we should bring inverted brightness as another MQ for support to them
14:27:00 <Janina> jo: suggests discussing competing needs
14:27:24 <Joshue108> ack jo
14:27:39 <Janina> ma: Notes GPII slogan: "One size fits one"
14:28:09 <Janina> q+ to note group viewing issue
14:28:44 <stevelee> q+ on AT verse author
14:28:55 <Janina> matthew: Notes VoiceOver on Apple was first to very clearly highlight where the TTS is voicing
14:29:07 <Joshue108> Matt: adaptions can be granular
14:29:10 <Janina> . adaptations promote collaboration that way
14:29:32 <Janina> . also standards like WCAG end up encouraging content authoring that's adaptable
14:29:48 <Joshue108> ack kev
14:29:48 <Zakim> kevin, you wanted to ask about ethics and talk about adaptations for low literacy/cognitive impairment
14:30:28 <Janina> kevin: Q re personalization ethics; re personal disclosure
14:31:02 <Janina> . Do we really want to pipe your personal constraints into big data collection?
14:31:21 <Janina> matthew: Definitely an important point and an issue not yet solved
14:31:46 <Janina> . Notes the slippery slope
14:32:30 <Janina> . Notes there is W3C work on privacy
14:33:03 <Joshue108> ack jan
14:33:03 <Zakim> Janina, you wanted to note group viewing issue
14:33:45 <Joshue108> q+ to talk about assumptions of user ability
14:33:47 <CharlesL> q+
14:33:53 <Janina> kevin: notes struggles with adaptations that simplify language for various COGA issues, can be difficult and involved
14:34:34 <Janina> matthew: Notes real problems need to be solved by real people, doesn't expect automation
14:34:43 <Joshue108> q+ Judy
14:35:05 <Joshue108> JS: To add to that..
14:35:19 <Joshue108> Its on the road map in the Personalization TF work
14:35:34 <Joshue108> Annotation scaffolding can be added to make that possible
14:35:39 <Joshue108> Machine learning may help
14:36:12 <Joshue108> JS: My point was that adaptations are great for interfacing on your own
14:36:15 <Roy> Personalization in W3C: https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/
14:36:20 <Joshue108> Not great in group environments.
14:36:38 <Joshue108> We are bringing yet more usecases to second screen technology
14:37:11 <Joshue108> ack steve
14:37:11 <Zakim> stevelee, you wanted to comment on AT verse author
14:37:28 <CharlesL> Example in Module 2 - Easy Lang.  https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-help-1.0/#easylang-explanation
14:37:42 <Janina> steve: notes tension whether the server provides, or the user's local computing provides them
14:38:04 <Janina> . but it goes further -- eg multiple versions
14:38:31 <Janina> . Notes GPII "match maker" conceptual approach for adaptation
14:38:56 <Joshue108> q+ JamesC
14:39:48 <Janina> matthew: suggests it's incumbant on browser vendors to make these kinds of adaptations more easily findable and usable
14:40:22 <Janina> . though there's also lots the local device can do as processing power grows
14:40:51 <Joshue108> ack Judy
14:42:33 <Janina> judy: notes W3C considers it ritical to develop ways to control privacy support
14:42:58 <Janina> . need more people working in that area
14:44:02 <Joshue108> JS: I note we may not have a lot of conversation on this.
14:44:22 <Joshue108> notes WIRED article on reducing digital footprint
14:45:11 <Joshue108> ack james
14:46:03 <Janina> james: Notes CSS would want to see implementations for inverted brightness
14:46:58 <Janina> . notes security important in these conversations
14:47:21 <Janina> . notes the existing MQ features havequite broad use
14:48:18 <Janina> . notes approaches that limit how much data is communicated upstream, cutting off servers that ask for too much
14:48:51 <Janina> q+ re security model and proxy services
14:49:52 <Janina> . notes increasing possibilities in ml
14:50:09 <Janina> . and could be as simple as smart invert brightness
14:51:58 <Janina> matthew: notes also work to reduce anxiety in web use; not just a11y, but to encourage purchasing on line
14:53:24 <Janina> judy: notes expiriments around anxiety levling
14:54:37 <Joshue108> ack me
14:54:37 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to talk about assumptions of user ability
14:55:13 <Janina> josh: concern about assumptions of what a user might need by way of adaptations
14:55:21 <Janina> josh: do we need a trust model?
14:56:52 <Joshue108> ack charles
14:57:37 <Janina> charles: advises many coga points discussed here are on the road map
14:58:23 <Joshue108> ack jan
14:58:23 <Zakim> Janina, you wanted to discuss security model and proxy services
14:58:37 <Joshue108> JS: The proxy server is where i wanted to go.
14:58:43 <Joshue108> This is rather generic issue
14:59:06 <Joshue108> Using single sign on providers could be used to expand on that trust model
14:59:38 <Joshue108> We can introduce the idea of using that proxy to handle personalisation may be a business mode
14:59:43 <Joshue108> beyond a11y
15:00:10 <stevelee> Great call Matt!!!
15:01:45 <MichaelC> chair: Matthew_Atkinson
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15:01:55 <MichaelC> zakim, end meeting
15:01:55 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Joshue, Matthew_Atkinson, becky, jonasz, Roy, CharlesL, kevin, Jemma
15:01:57 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:01:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/10/26-adaptation-minutes.html Zakim
15:02:00 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, MichaelC; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:02:23 <stevelee> present+ (but too late)
15:03:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> Hi Michael, I'm getting a 403 on the minutes still; do we need to re-run the script?
15:03:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Steve: aww, is there a way for us to include you as being present retrospectively, I wonder? I'm not sure.
15:04:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> Michael: update: the minutes have come through now—though is it possible to add Steve to the list of attendees?
15:12:24 <stevelee> Matthew_Atkinson, minuets now live - seem to take a bit longer lately
15:12:39 <stevelee> NP re present+ :)
15:19:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> ACK Steve
15:19:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> I'm about to post the minutes now.
15:19:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> Thanks again all! I hope we can discuss more along these lines soon :-).
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