Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

10 Sep 2020


LisaSeemanKest, JustineP, Fazio, Roy, kirkwood, BetsyFurler
EA, Abi, john_r, Jennie


<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Main_Page

<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage

<scribe> Scribe: JustineP

actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Actions

Lisa: Planning page looks a bit different. Priorities/schedules/key documents were pulled out into separate pages.
... Must click on Key Documents to find a file. Links, actions, and proposed actions remain on original page.
... any comments?
... also did something similar with main page.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Main_Page

Lisa: easier to locate content with less clutter. Comments or concerns?
... I spoke with Michael about review of Internationalization draft
... spoke to EO and they sent comments. Weren't interested in glossary.

Roy: Question about internationalization. Have confirmed with i8n WG that we only need to address feedback on Github issues.

<Roy> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Ai18n-needs-resolution

Lisa: Will remove from action list since we already have content in issues list.
... proposed process draft needs to be reviewed. No target deadline for review yet.
... reviewed all issues and labeled them. In terms of Glossary, most folks working on it aren't here.
... editorial review, any feedback Betsy?

Betsy: No glaring issues

issues process see https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues

Betsy: we have 79 open issues and each issue contains multiple comments.
... have tagged them for next steps and created labels. If agreement isn't clear, I tagged for editorial discussion.
... if issue was broader, I tagged for discussion. If new glossary term was suggested, I tagged as glossary.
... during editorial discussions, we will add to our "to do" list.
... also created a tag for "response needed" which will acknowledge comment but decline further action.
... idea is to tag an item for discussion, tag for "to do" as needed or "response needed".
... make sense?

John K: The difference between editorial review and editorial discussion?

Lisa: If capitalization is needed, will tag for editorial review if no discussion is needed and action is clear.
... if action isn't clear, will tag for editorial discussion.

John K: Label for editorial review would include minor issues?

Lisa: Yes
... editorial discussion has been scheduled for Tuesday by Rachael.
... Please let us know if anyone would like to join the meeting. It is adjacent to our planning meeting.
... It is 3.5 hours earlier than current time.

<kirkwood> +1 to receiving invite

Lisa: will send conclusions to mailing list for additional comments.
... any comments?

<LisaSeemanKest> happy porcces for sorting issues

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

<Fazio> =!

<Fazio> +1


<kirkwood> +1

<BetsyFurler> +1

patterns, next steps and assigning actions

Lisa: I sent an email today with ideas for sorting through issues and editing patterns.
... a small group of us will tweak template. We shouldn't edit in Google docs and copy over.
... change directly in Github instead.
... Process will be to schedule a small conversation to agree on template and then send to the mailing list.

<kirkwood> +1 to be on

<kirkwood> ;)

Lisa: Someone will implement changes upon agreement. Then identify patterns that need additional work.
... Aim for the "worst" 10% of patterns. We shouldn't work on big editorial changes for all patterns.
... then assign people to editorial action items, perhaps 1-2 patterns per person for editing.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2020Sep/0014.html

Lisa: then ask for agreement
... How does everyone feel about that?

<LisaSeemanKest> are u happy with it?

Lisa: Please comment by tomorrow with any concerns.

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

<Fazio> +1

<kirkwood> +1


<BetsyFurler> +1

issues process see https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues

<LisaSeemanKest> close item 2

<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtS06ngjFJ3ihF_dOEIsAa-s5AVVH1W-HC6yGzc20Go/edit#heading=h.vifybsxkua2x

<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CDIdKRaXld_8HHdMj59Tyy4ijd_0b9NXrSvhyp2CSWw/edit#heading=h.w01hqq18an88

Lisa: We have different versions of the glossary. Jennie wanted some edits so I created a new version.
... Even if we reach consensus and then significant concerns are expressed, we should revisit.

<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CDIdKRaXld_8HHdMj59Tyy4ijd_0b9NXrSvhyp2CSWw/edit#

Lisa: Definition of Cognitive/Learning disabilities: will change "above average" to "any level"
... Are we okay with revised wording?

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

John K: Wondering why we have learning disabilities defined by not cognitive disabilities defined?

Lisa: That's below. Right now we are defining as both together as a phrase.

John K: Okay.

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

Lisa: Are we in agreement?

<kirkwood> yes

<BetsyFurler> Yes

Fine with me as well.

<LisaSeemanKest> any disagree?

Lisa: Next is Learning Disability. There was a proposal to remove it entirely unless in context of learning/cognitive disabilities.

<kirkwood> i think we should remove

Lisa: it means different things in different jurasdictions.

<kirkwood> adds confusion

I agree with removal.

<BetsyFurler> okay w removal

Lisa: Will remove unless any objections.
... memory impairments is next. Some editorial changes and also changed "short term memory" to cover any length below 60 seconds.

<kirkwood> agree with short term long term edit, yes

Lisa: Sound okay?
... don't care for example of credit card number in working memory definition.
... some people remember their credit card number (long term memory).
... changed example to "copying a number"

<kirkwood> ability to recall information rather than remember.

Lisa: Are people happy with the definitions?

David: Two types of memory exist, recall and recognition. Agree with John.

Lisa: can add recall

David: should also add recognition since it is a different type of memory.

Lisa: There is some overlap. Research document discusses different types of memory.
... should we search Content Usable for similar terms?

David: Yes

Lisa: We do use the word "recall" in the context of passwords.
... Should we define recognition and recall?

John K: They are two different terms and are confusing to us.

Lisa: should we add "recognize" or "recall"?
... text will include "recognize and recall"

David: Could say something along the lines of "recognize or recall"

Lisa: Is everyone happy with the revisions?

John K: would like to say "recall events or personal contact information"

Lisa: Previous sentence mentions that.

John K: Okay.

<LisaSeemanKest> Includes: Recognition, Recall, Working memory, Short-term Memory and Long-term Memory Memory impairments refer to an inability are where a person is unable to recognize or recall pieces of information or skills that are usually remembered. It can affect: Working memory that holds information while

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

John K: Not sure...

Lisa: Should we include state of birth?

<LisaSeemanKest> Long-term Memory that holds information long term, such as information from personal events, language and information. For example, we may rely on long-term memory to recall one's date of birth.

Lisa: John may I give you an action item to propose a change?

John K: I was concerned with the example of "state of birth" because that is an extreme example.

<BetsyFurler> I like past events. Or events that happened in the past

Lisa: what about "past events"

John K: Yes, that's fine.

<LisaSeemanKest> Memory impairments

<LisaSeemanKest> Includes: Recognition, Recall, Working memory, Short-term Memory and Long-term Memory

<LisaSeemanKest> Memory impairments refer to an inability are where a person is unable to recognize or recall pieces of information or skills that are usually remembered. It can affect:

<LisaSeemanKest> Working memory that holds information while it is processed. For example, we rely on working memory for tasks such as copying a number.

<LisaSeemanKest> Short-term Memory that stores information for a short time before it is stored in long-term memory. For example, we may rely on short-term memory to remember the location of meus items between web pages.

<LisaSeemanKest> Long-term Memory that holds information long term, such as information from personal events, language and information. For example, we may rely on long-term memory to recall past events.

Lisa: I think its good enough.

<LisaSeemanKest> not perfect but good enough?

John K: Agree

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

<BetsyFurler> +1


<kirkwood> +1

Lisa: Mental Health is next.
... Justine wants editorial tweak "issues with accessing information. That's fine, I will change.

<LisaSeemanKest> good enough?

Betsy: Can we add that it causes variability in someone's ability to access or process information? If someone is having a crisis, someone might have much more difficulty.

Lisa: "temporary or long term issues"?

<kirkwood> processing or recalling information

Betsy: Yes

<kirkwood> +1

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

Lisa: Its an incomplete list but provides examples.

<BetsyFurler> +1


<LisaSeemanKest> Executive Function

<LisaSeemanKest> The group of cognitive processes and skills required for planning, and fulfilling tasks and goals. It includes working memory and remembering details, impulse inhibition, organizing tasks, managing time, fluid reasoning and solving problems.

<BetsyFurler> +1

Lisa: ...removed the word "and", minor edit

John K: wouldn't mind adding "long term memory"

Lisa: going to the entire brain, isn't it? Prefrontal cortext. Is long term memory part of executive function?

John K: It definitely affects executive function.

Lisa: I don't think long term memory is part of executive function.
... will obviously affect everything.

<LisaSeemanKest> +1

Lisa: any objections?

<LisaSeemanKest> put in a 0 if you need more time

<BetsyFurler> +1


<kirkwood> 0

Lisa: Will send remaining items to the mailing list. Please comment or approve.

<LisaSeemanKest> +1 aprove them all

<BetsyFurler> +1

<LisaSeemanKest> rssagent, make logs public

<LisaSeemanKest> rssagent, publish minutes

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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