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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

13 Aug 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
JcK, addison, fsasaki, Bert, Felix, Atsushi, Richard, Fuqiao
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison

Contents


trackbot, prepare teleconference

<agendabot> clear agenda

Agenda and Minutes

fuqiao: talk about webxr

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-927?

<trackbot> action-927 -- Addison Phillips to Work with richard on crossover tpac meeting planning and proposal for our tpac calls -- due 2020-07-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/927

close action-927

<trackbot> Closed action-927.

https://www.w3.org/wiki/I18N_2020_TPAC

action-929?

<trackbot> action-929 -- Felix Sasaki to Send uri/iri/url issue to wg -- due 2020-07-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/929

close action-929

<trackbot> Closed action-929.

action-931?

<trackbot> action-931 -- Felix Sasaki to Reply to rdf via our i18n-dicuss issue 13 -- due 2020-07-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/931

close action-931

<trackbot> Closed action-931.

action-933?

<trackbot> action-933 -- Addison Phillips to Send mail to chairs@ asking for signups for tpac meetings -- due 2020-07-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/933

close action-933

<trackbot> Closed action-933.

action-935?

<trackbot> action-935 -- Addison Phillips to Read html input type=email text and suggest edits -- due 2020-07-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/935

https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/5799/files

close action-935

<trackbot> Closed action-935.

action-937?

<trackbot> action-937 -- Addison Phillips to Follow up on media queries about status of hr -- due 2020-08-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/937

close action-937

<trackbot> Closed action-937.

action-938?

<trackbot> action-938 -- Addison Phillips to Notify mediastream track that we completed a review with no issues -- due 2020-08-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/938

close action-938

<trackbot> Closed action-938.

action-939?

<trackbot> action-939 -- Richard Ishida to See if we have a definition of ltr/rtl/auto somewhere centralized that specs can refer to -- due 2020-08-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/939

action-940?

<trackbot> action-940 -- Addison Phillips to Write proposal for error message handling for specdev -- due 2020-08-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/940

close action-940

<trackbot> Closed action-940.

Info Share

Atsushi: we published JLReq update as WG Note
... requires manual uploading
... was published on tuesday

<xfq_> https://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/

richard: did a rejig of homepage

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/getting-started/languagedev.en

richard: did three pages, rewrote basically

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/getting-started/specdev.en

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/getting-started/contentdev.en

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/resources

richard: still need e.g. the sitemap
... change styling and such

RADAR Review

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

<atsushi> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/128#issuecomment-671795004

atsushi: found no issue in screen wake lock

<scribe> ACTION: addison: notify screen wake lock of review complete with no issues

<trackbot> Created ACTION-941 - Notify screen wake lock of review complete with no issues [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-08-20].

<fsasaki> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/950

felix: document gives guidance for various personas
... such as cognitive impairment due to age or autism or such
... my comment is that a lot of the guidance in the doc is also helpful for people who have no cognitive disabilities
... such as a foreigner in a country where you have poor language skills
... for these people, using short sentences, simple structure, etc.
... to reach a wider audience, maybe add this persona

richard: these are all American sounding names

felix: this is only a first issue

richard: disabilities -> challenges?

Specdev changes

https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/41

https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/41/cdbf6d5...aphillips:f70b324.html

https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/41/cdbf6d5...aphillips:f70b324.html#localization

https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/41/cdbf6d5...aphillips:f70b324.html#text_n11n

richard: exclude text that isn't part of the mustard from the mustard

https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/41.html

Bert: suitable fallback or default: can we define?

felix: once LTLI has progressed further, some guidance needs to change here

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/ltli/issues/16

https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/41.html#text_n11n

<r12a> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/41.html#spec_n11n

<r12a> margin: 4em;

<r12a> font-size: 80%;

<scribe> ACTION: addison: apply edits discussed in telecon and merge the normalization and localization specdev changes

<trackbot> Created ACTION-942 - Apply edits discussed in telecon and merge the normalization and localization specdev changes [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-08-20].

Publish new LTLI WD?

https://w3c.github.io/ltli/

https://www.w3.org/TR/ltli/

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/ltli/

felix: one aspect I'm not sure about
... if you ask someone to implement a validator
... straightforward
... with new concepts related to locale and guidance for people producing/consuming content
... I am less aware of how Unicode/CLDR and the Unicode TR works technically
... if I want to update my validator, maybe this is something that doesn't need to be in this document, but what
... steps are needed so you can work with a locale identifier
... may take time to produce
... missing piece of information

<scribe> ACTION: addison: publish ltli to TR

<trackbot> Created ACTION-943 - Publish ltli to tr [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-08-20].

<scribe> ACTION: richard: set up LTLI for echidna

<trackbot> Created ACTION-944 - Set up ltli for echidna [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-08-20].

we'll do a WG review for a couple of weeks and then decide on wide review

AOB?

fuqiao: quick question about ready made counter styles
... you added links to repos
... current TR is WG note from 3 years ago
... not a lot of updates, but have some
... republish new version?
... clreq asked why this is a separate doc

richard: probably need to publish an update
... don't recall what the changes are specifically
... how do we do a review?

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/

<scribe> ACTION: richard: review predefined-counter-styles for changes and send info to group so we can take a publication decision

<trackbot> Created ACTION-945 - Review predefined-counter-styles for changes and send info to group so we can take a publication decision [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-08-20].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: apply edits discussed in telecon and merge the normalization and localization specdev changes
[NEW] ACTION: addison: notify screen wake lock of review complete with no issues
[NEW] ACTION: addison: publish ltli to TR
[NEW] ACTION: richard: review predefined-counter-styles for changes and send info to group so we can take a publication decision
[NEW] ACTION: richard: set up LTLI for echidna
 

Summary of Resolutions

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