Meeting minutes
<Ralph> previous 15-May
Key items from this week's NA/Europe Business Group discussion
Ralph: NA/Eur Business Group Meeting; highlights?
<Ralph> 26-May Publishing BG meeting record
Liisa: Request for more comments
and endorsements on charter
… Liisa added hers in (woo hoo).
dauwhe: Goal of charter endorsements?
Ivan: Signalling the AC that the community thinks the direction is good.
Ralph: Less important than actual AC input (but still good)
EPUB 3 WG draft charter status
Ivan: Charter
discussion/status
… Have added Shinya Takami as co-chair for EPUB 3 WG
… Takami-san is with Kadokawa.
… Outstanding PR’s are merged, including the one re
A11Y and European A11Y Act.
<Ralph> EPUB 3 WG charter work-in-progress
Ivan: Requested to start W3M
official review; AC vote likely mid-June.
… Need to get enough W3C members to vote for charter
(maybe minimum 20).
… All of us should get our Ac Reps to vote.
Ralph: Wendy S (strategy
lead for W3C) with shepherd the Charter through the process.
… Horizontal review.
… W3M will review charter.
… Then to AC review for 4-6 weeks.
… End-ish of July W3M will look at results and decide
to proceed, if sufficient support for Charter.
… AB asked W3M to really look for 20-backers of new
charters (to carefully manage W3C resources).
… If lower, but want to move ahead anyhow, W3M can
write justification.
George: Is it both approval (b y AC member) and “will participate”?
Ralph: Just approval, not
participation.
… W3M also does look at participation, so need enough
of those too.
<Avneesh> 5% is threshold
Ralph: (for support)
… we think no remaining charter changes are needed to
start the process.
… Now on Wendy S!
dauwhe: Would voting start before end of June?
Ralph: likely yes. Start in three weeks.
Continue idea sharing for Publishing Community webinar
Ralph: Topic:
Publishing Community Webinar/Conference
… Any brainstorms to share?
Wendy: Did come up with
draft agenda (Wendy & Tzviya)
… 1. Communicating with community; 2. Thanking
participation; 3. Working with W3C
… Contents of blog post (and survey results) and how
that will drive work forward.
… Process: mailing list & github
… How to participate and keep up with activities.
… Q&A
… Likely make it an hour (taking into account Webinar
exhaustion).
<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask about the audience for this agenda
Wendy: Wendy will share draft document.
<wendyreid> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxI_dvU8EaRfJBVfNvNpwjLPVCa-ZZHZUUCOB-5YomE/edit?usp=sharing
Ralph: Audience?
Wendy: Mailing lists (PWG, BG, et al) and those from survey and social media.
Cristina: Include slide on A11Y and European A11Y Act.
liisamk: Daihei and Liisa
are presenting at the digital publishing summit next week; could be
fodder for Webinar too.
… How to get more discussion from those who what to be
invovled. Discussion group?
<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask Daihei and Liisa if they have a draft of their presentation they might share
Ralph: Daihei and Liisa if they have a draft of their presentation they might share?
liisamk: Not yet, but
real-soon-now.
… Maybe do some some polling at digital publishing
summit — 60-ish folks.
Ralph: How many know about W3C blog posts?
Daihei_: After DPS, good
Japanese interest in survey results
… Will present these results and hopefully get more
interest and attention.
… Presented at Japanese W3C Members meeting meeting
recently too.
… Will continue these efforts.
Ralph: 50 folks at this meeting recently — good size.
Daihei_: Late time for US participation! :-)
Ralph: Quesitons/feedback?
Daihei_: Not particularly,
but showed good interest in EPUB WG.
… Asked about publishing industey status and this was
discussed.
… And differences with US & Europe.
Ralph: Shinya asked that
Daihei help with W3C process and perhaps represent him in these
meetings sometimes.
… Thanks to Wendy and Tzviya for effort to Webinar.
Timing?
Wendy: Not yet — likely
summer;
… Slides and resources should be pretty easy drawing
on existing resources.
Cristina: Need to prepare a
communication plan (where & to whom).
… need time to promote.
… W3C and in general.
… Outside traditional W3C target group.
… Need to get folks to be responsible for this
communication.
Ralph: Good to get added to document.
George: Asked to put
together a whitepaper re EPUB use in Corp documents. Likely Webinar
after.
… Tagging PDF (post production)… EPUB is a better
solution
<Bill_Kasdorf> who is publishing that white paper, George? Daisy?
George: supports results from survey. Paper done be end of June. Could also be used by other Webinars.
Ralph: Should add to W3C blog too.
liisamk: Can we target July
for Webinar?
… avoid quiet August.
… Co-timed with EPUB 3 WG and Publishing CG setup (to
drive momentum).
<Daihei_> +1 to Liisa
liisamk: Maybe put together document to summarize dates of all these activities.
Ralph: Yes on July.
… Wendy, need anything else?
Wendy: all set so far.
Next steps for Sync Media
Ralph: Reminder re Sync
Media. Not urgent for today. Should be on our list for discussion.
… Sync Media CG making progress; but should we help
push along?
Avneesh: Sync Media is near
final.
… What about future of CG? Mainly DAISY-driven.
… Sync Media is heavy to implement. Take a breath and
see if people have interest.
… Should Spec be WG Note?
… Not as related to Publishing as to HTML. So, maybe
from CG not from Publishing WG?
<Ralph> Audiobook / Sync Media thread
liisamk: Not just labor, but
rights for audio versus text.
… What happens to SMIL?
Avneesh: SMIL — not too many folks
doing it in publishing industry, some of them are doing MO/FL, they
will continue. Regarding replacing EPUB 3 SMIL with sync media, there
is Big backward compatibility clause in EPUB WG.
... The other question is what Is the benefit of migration of EPUB 3
SMIL to sync media, what additional business need will it address.
garth: The existing MO/SMIL
content is in the market and very good
… the EPUB3 WG doesn't seem like to group to dump it
Wendy: Charter does call out
that MO will be retained.
… Not directly related to whether Sync Media is
published as note.
… Could be a project for Audiobook maintenance group.
<Ralph> Synchronized Multimedia For Publications Community Group
Wendy: Not conflciting with MO in EPUB 3.
Ivan: +1 to Wendy. EPUB 3 WG is not allowed to do non-backward compatible development. SMIL will stay.
<Ralph> Sync Media CG GitHub repo
Ivan: EPUB may be the only serious use of SMIL.
Ralph: Focus on Sync Media
for this meeting.
… Not uncommon for CG to be driven my one major
participant (e.g., Sync Media CG & DAISY).
… Next steps: really up to DAISY. Should CG publish?
Or move it somewhere? Or member submission.
… Opinion: too late for Publishing WG to take this
forward as a note.
Avneesh: DAISY
specifications extensively use SMIL. DAISY community is producingm
millions of hours of books every year, but it is not web usage.
... The vision of sync media group was to come up with different kind
of synchronizations for different kind of disabilities,
... e.g. audio with HTML text, HTML text with video of sign language
and more. We accelerated work on synchronizing text with audio to
enable audio books pass the accessibility horizontal review.
... So, as far as audio books specifications process
is concerned, sync media has done its work. For moving ahead to
addressing needs of different disabilities we need more
participation in CG
... So, it would be better to not attached it to publishing, as Ivan
and APA mentioned couple of years ago.
... If there is a strong business need in audio books industry, then
we can pickup sync narration piece and make it as an WG note, and
the broader work can continue in sync media CG. But if we see a
strong business need to make an association between the two specs.
George: Work that has been done so far — good work — don’t lose it. Why not just use TTML? Back to Liisa’s rights comments.
<Garth> +1 it is very good work :)
George: Hate to see good work be lost. Note might be the right way.
Ralph: Should we nudge CG along? Or allow DAISY to continue at their pace?
liisamk: Followed up witn AMAZON to request participation in WG. Seem interested!
Ralph: woo hoo!