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14:51:00 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:51:36 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020May/0025.html
14:51:39 <Ralph> chair: Ralph
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14:51:50 <Ralph> regrets: Jeff, Tzviya, Mateus
14:52:20 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/05/15-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 15-May
14:52:47 <Ralph> agenda+ Key items from this week's NA/Europe Business Group discussion
14:52:58 <Ralph> agenda+ EPUB 3 WG draft charter status
14:53:07 <Ralph> agenda+ Continue idea sharing for Publishing Community webinar
14:53:11 <George> present+
14:53:15 <Ralph> agenda+ Next steps for Sync Media
14:54:31 <Ralph> present+
14:59:23 <Ralph> present+ Cristina, Daihei
14:59:30 <Ralph> present+ Avneesh
14:59:44 <dauwhe> present+
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15:01:31 <Ralph> present+ Wendy, Liisa
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15:02:27 <Ralph> present+ Garth
15:02:27 <liisamk> present+
15:02:43 <Ralph> agenda?
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15:02:55 <garth> present+ Garth
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15:04:18 <Ralph> scribe: garth
15:04:22 <garth> scribe+
15:04:45 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:04:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Key items from this week's NA/Europe Business Group discussion" taken up [from Ralph]
15:04:45 <Avneesh> present+
15:05:10 <garth> Ralph: NA/Eur Business Group Meeting; highlights?
15:05:17 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/05/26-pbg-minutes.html 26-May Publishing BG meeting record
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15:05:37 <garth> Liisa; Request for more comments and endorsements on charter
15:05:42 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:05:46 <dauwhe> q+
15:05:55 <garth> … Liisa added hers in (woo hoo).
15:06:27 <garth> dauwhe: Goal of charter endorsements?
15:06:46 <garth> Ivan: Signalling the AC that the community thinks the direction is good.
15:07:14 <garth> Ralph: Less important than acutal AC input (but still good)
15:07:29 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:07:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "EPUB 3 WG draft charter status" taken up [from Ralph]
15:07:35 <garth> Ivan: Charter discussion/status
15:08:01 <Cristina> Cristina has joined #pbgsc
15:08:02 <garth> … Have added XXX as co-chair for EPUB 3 WG
15:08:26 <ivan> s/XXX/Shinya Takami/
15:08:28 <Cristina> present+
15:09:26 <garth> … Takami is with Kadokawa.
15:10:07 <garth> … Outstanding PR’s are merged, including the one re A11Y and European A11Y Act.
15:10:31 <Ralph> -> https://github.com/w3c/epub-3-wg-charter EPUB 3 WG charter work-in-progress
15:10:45 <garth> … Requested to start W3M official review; AC vote likely mid-June.
15:11:15 <garth> … Need to get enough W3C members to vote for charter (maybe minimum 20).
15:11:57 <garth> … All of us should get our Ac Rerps to vote.
15:12:31 <garth> Ralph: Wendy S (strategy lead for W3C) with shepard the Charter through the process.
15:12:37 <garth> … Horizontal review.
15:13:05 <garth> … W3M will review charter.
15:13:22 <garth> … Then to AC review for 4-6 weeks.
15:14:29 <garth> … End-ish of July W3M will look at results and decide to proceed, if sufficient support for Charter.
15:15:12 <garth> … AB asked W3M to really look for 20-backers of new charters (to carefully manage W3C resources).
15:15:59 <George> q+
15:16:05 <garth> … If lower, but want to move ahead anyhow, W3M can write justification.
15:16:50 <garth> George: Is it both approval (b y AC membet) and “will participate”?
15:17:08 <garth> Ralph: Just approval, not participation.
15:17:34 <garth> … W3M also does look at participation, so need enough of those too.
15:17:45 <Avneesh> 5% is threshold
15:18:11 <garth> … (for support)
15:18:54 <garth> … we think no remaining charter changes are needed to start the process.
15:19:02 <garth> … Now on Wendy S!
15:19:03 <dauwhe> q+
15:19:23 <garth> dauwhe: Would voting start before end of June?
15:19:41 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:19:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Continue idea sharing for Publishing Community webinar" taken up [from Ralph]
15:19:47 <garth> Ralph: likely yes.  Stsrt in three weeks.
15:20:20 <garth> … Topic: Publishing Community Webinar/Conference
15:20:24 <wendyreid> q+
15:20:30 <garth> … Any brainstorms to share?
15:21:05 <garth> Wendy: Did come up with draft agenda (Wenday & Tzviya)
15:21:38 <garth> … 1. Communiniating with communioyt; 2. Thanking partivipation; 3. Working with W3C
15:22:05 <garth> … Contents of blog post (and survery results) and how that will drive work forward.
15:22:27 <garth> … Process: mailing list & github
15:22:56 <garth> … How to participate and keep up with activities.
15:22:59 <garth> … Q&A
15:23:34 <garth> … Likely make it an hour (taking into accunt Webinare exhustion).
15:23:38 <Cristina> q+
15:23:42 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask about the audience for this agenda
15:23:46 <liisamk> q+
15:23:48 <garth> … Wendy will share draft document.
15:24:01 <wendyreid> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vxI_dvU8EaRfJBVfNvNpwjLPVCa-ZZHZUUCOB-5YomE/edit?usp=sharing
15:24:03 <garth> Ralph: Audience?
15:24:39 <garth> Wendy: Mailing lists (PWG, BG, et al) and those from survey and social media.
15:25:13 <garth> Cristina: Include slide on A11Y and European A11Y Act.
15:25:56 <garth> liisamk: Daihei and Liisa are presenting at the digital publishing summit next week; could be fodder for Webinar too.
15:26:27 <garth> … How to get more disucssion from those who what to ber invovled.  Discussion group?
15:26:48 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask Daihei and Liisa if they have a draft of their presentation they might share
15:26:53 <garth> Ralph: Daihei and Liisa if they have a draft of their presentation they might share?
15:27:16 <garth> liisamk: Not yet, but real-soon-now.
15:27:33 <Daihei_> q+
15:27:58 <garth> … Maybe do some some polling at digital publishing summit — 60-ish folks.
15:28:09 <garth> Ralph: How many know about W3C blog posts?
15:28:56 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
15:28:56 <Zakim> Present: George, Ralph, Cristina, Daihei, Avneesh, dauwhe, Wendy, Liisa, liisamk, Daihei_, Garth, wendyreid, ivan, Bill_Kasdorf
15:28:59 <garth> Daihei_: After DPS, good Japanense interest in survey results
15:29:40 <garth> … Will present these results and hopefully get more interest and attention.
15:30:12 <garth> … Presented at Asian-time meeting recently too.
15:30:33 <garth> … Will continue these efforts.
15:30:58 <garth> s/Asian-time/Japanese W3C Members meeting/
15:31:27 <garth> Ralph: 50 folks at this meeting recently — good size.
15:31:53 <garth> Daihei_: Late time for US participstion!  :-)
15:32:16 <ivan> s/participstion/participation/
15:32:17 <garth> Ralph: Quesitons/feedback?
15:32:42 <garth> Daihei_: Not particularly, but showed good interest in EPUB WG.
15:33:18 <garth> … Asked about publishing indusrtey status and this was discussed.
15:33:38 <garth> … And differenes with US & Europe.
15:35:03 <garth> Ralph: Shinya asked that Daihei help with W3C process and perhaps represent him in these meetings sometimes.
15:35:48 <garth> … Thanks to Wendy and Tzviya for effort to Webinar.  Timing?
15:35:51 <Cristina> q+
15:35:54 <George> q+
15:36:16 <garth> Wendy: Not yet — liiely summer;
15:36:57 <garth> … Slides and resources should be pretty easy drawing on existing resoruces.
15:37:18 <liisamk> q+
15:37:31 <garth> Cristina: Need to prepare a communicaiton plan (where & to whom).
15:37:44 <garth> … need time to promote.
15:37:58 <garth> … W3C and in general.
15:38:24 <garth> … Outside traditional W3C target group.
15:38:56 <garth> … Need to get folks to be responsible for this communication.
15:39:14 <garth> Ralph: Good to get added to document.
15:39:56 <garth> George: Asked to put together a whitepaper re EPUB use in Corp documents.  Likely Webinar after.
15:40:24 <garth> … Tagging PDF (post production)… EPUB is a better solution
15:40:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> who is publishing that white paper, George? Daisy?
15:41:00 <garth> … supports results from survey.  Paper done be end of June.  Could also be used by other Webinars.
15:41:15 <garth> Ralph: Should add to W3C blog too.
15:41:39 <garth> liisamk: Can we target July for Wedinar?
15:41:57 <garth> … avoid quiet August.
15:42:27 <garth> … Co-timed with EPUB 3 WG and Publsihing CG setup (to drife momentum).
15:42:43 <Daihei_> +1 to Liisa
15:43:04 <garth> … Maybe put together document to summarize dates of all these activities.
15:43:18 <garth> Ralph: Yes on July.
15:43:49 <garth> … Wendy, need anything else?
15:43:55 <garth> Wendy: all set so far.
15:44:13 <Ralph> zakim, next item
15:44:13 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Next steps for Sync Media" taken up [from Ralph]
15:44:58 <garth> Ralph: Reminder re Sync Media.  Not urgent for today.  Shoul be onour list for discussion.
15:45:21 <Avneesh> q+
15:45:36 <garth> … Sync Media CG making progress; but should we help psuh along?
15:45:51 <garth> Avneesh: Sync Media is near final.
15:46:18 <garth> … What about future of CG?  Mainly DAISY-driven.
15:46:52 <liisamk> q+
15:46:57 <garth> … Sync Media is heavy to implement.  Take a breath and see if people have interest.
15:47:10 <garth> … Should Spec be WG Note?
15:47:48 <garth> … Not as relsted to Publishing to HTML.  So, maybe from CG not from Publishing WG?
15:48:01 <Ralph> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2020May/0003.html Audiobook / Sync Media thread
15:48:03 <garth> s/to HTML/as to HTML/
15:48:26 <garth> liisamk: Not just labor, but rights for audio versus text.
15:48:44 <garth> … What happens to SMIL?
15:48:48 <Avneesh> q+
15:48:49 <garth> q+
15:49:36 <wendyreid> q+
15:49:49 <ivan> q+
15:49:54 <garth> Avneesh: SMIL — not too many folks doing MO/FL, but will continue.  Big backward compatibiliy fovus in EPUB WG.
15:50:07 <garth> … Is the benefit fo migration.
15:50:12 <wendyreid> scribe+
15:50:27 <wendyreid> garth: The existing MO/SMIL content is in the market and very good
15:50:43 <wendyreid> ... the EPUB3 WG doesn't seem like to group to dump it
15:51:20 <garth> Wendy: Charter does call out that MO will be retained.
15:51:46 <garth> … Not directly related to whether Sync Media is published as note.
15:52:08 <garth> … Could be a project for Audiobook maint group.
15:52:14 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/community/sync-media-pub/ Synchronized Multimedia For Publications Community Group
15:52:18 <garth> … Not conflciting with MO in EPUB 3.
15:53:02 <garth> Ivan: +1 to Wendy.  EPUB 3 WG is not allowed to do non-backward compatible development.  SMIL will stay.
15:53:13 <Ralph> -> https://github.com/w3c/sync-media-pub Sync Media CG GitHub repo
15:53:28 <Avneesh> q+
15:53:32 <garth> … EPUB may be the only serious use of SMIL.
15:54:22 <garth> Ralph: Focus on Sync Media for this meeting.
15:55:03 <garth> … Not uncommon for CG to be driven my one major participant (e.g., Sync Media CG & DAISY).
15:55:45 <garth> … Next steps: really up to DAISY.  Shoul;d CG publish?  Or move it somewhere?  Or member submission.
15:56:15 <garth> … Opinion: too late for Publishing WG to take this forward as a note.
15:56:57 <garth> Avneesh: Whole DAISY ecosystem is based on SMIL forward.  Millions of books, but not on Web.
15:57:29 <garth> … Sync Media with various media.
15:57:35 <garth> … Text sync swith audio.
15:57:51 <garth> … For audiobook spec to pass horizontal review.
15:58:07 <garth> … Need additional partipation for wider usage.
15:58:38 <garth> … WG note: audiobooks alredy passed horizontal review.
15:58:56 <George> q+
15:59:05 <garth> … If this is important to Audiobooks to move forward, in this case CG could publish, if there is a need.
16:00:00 <garth> George: Work that has been done so far — good work — don’t lose it.  Why not just use TTML?  Back to Liisa’s rights comments.
16:00:28 <wendyreid> +1 it is very good work :)
16:00:29 <garth> … Hate to see good work be lost.  Note might be the right way.
16:01:09 <garth> Ralph: Should we nudge CG along?  Or allow DAISY to continue at theifr pace?
16:01:20 <garth> s/theifr/their/
16:01:23 <liisamk> q+
16:02:12 <garth> liisamk: Followed up witn AMZN to request participation in WG.  Seem interested!
16:02:23 <garth> Ralph: woo hoo!
16:03:06 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
16:03:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been George, Ralph, Cristina, Daihei, Avneesh, dauwhe, Wendy, Liisa, liisamk, Daihei_, Garth, wendyreid, ivan, Bill_Kasdorf
16:03:09 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
16:03:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2020/05/29-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
16:03:11 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:06:51 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:06:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items