Meeting minutes
EPUB 3 WG Charter
liisamk: Topic: EPUB 3 WG Charter
wendyreid: the charter is
going well
… we've resolved quite a few issues
… we have an open PR we can close today, about a11y
<ivan> current charter proposal
wendyreid: the charter's in
good shape
… we still don't have much feedback from other
publishers
<ivan> PR version of the charter waiting for a merge
wendyreid: we'd still like feedback
ivan: I have put the
reference to the charter text and the PR in IRC
… makoto had a question, but dauwhe and I answered
… about timing, I did a PR
<Ralph> pull #47; EPUB A11y improvements
ivan: which moved the
starting time to September rather than July
… I had asked WendyS how much time it would take to go
through W3M
… missing comments from outside Japan is a problem
… the charter has been out there for review for two
months now
… so I think we should go ahead with the AC vote
… knowing that if we don't get enough positive votes
from the AC, the WG won't happen
dauwhe: I just wanted to
remind everyone that Cristina did post several issues
… I don't know if Cristina is happy with the responses
we've provided
jeff_: for new WGs on 9/1
… there's a question about participating in TPAC
… I wonder what the chairs think about that question
… and if they plan to have meetings with other groups
wendyreid: we do plan on
having a meeting
… meeting with A11y guidelines WG is certainly in
order, maybe other ones
ivan: the charter already
includes a reference to TPAC
… as part of the planning
… that was discussed with the chairs
jeff_: not to have in the charter, but the information is necessary for the meeting planners
ivan: for the comment of Dave on Cristina, I agree she should say yes or no before we go to the AC
<Bill_Kasdorf> Sorry to be late.
ivan: one thing that came up
is that there were several issues discussed where agreement was these
are things the WG should discuss, but shouldn't change the charter
text itself
… so I set up a label in the repo, to leave the issues
open for the WG
… and the chairs will look up those issues
dauwhe: Jeff I did reply to
the questionnaire
… the information is provided to the meeting planners
Avneesh: responding to
Dave's and Ivan's q about Cristina
… we have been having those discussions, and I think
most of those issues are resolved
… people are expecting the WG to take over many a11y
things
… which isn't possible
… and most of this work is already happening in other
peoples
… we're already working with AGWG on page numbers, etc
… a lot of things are already in progress, it would be
good to clarify
ivan: I think the current
text is oK
… we say there are open issues, we give examples, we
have liaisons...
… what you mention should be part of the early
planning phase of the WG
… but shouldn't be in the charter
liisamk: we were just talking about the charter, and have the issues you raised been resolved?
Cristina: are you speaking
about a11y act, or in general?
… I think it's fine now
ivan: thanks
update on the future of the CG(s)
Ralph: I have the action to
work on the infrastructure and technical details
… we have a plan; I have to grease the wheels to make
it happen
liisamk: what's the plan?
Ralph: the intention to
merge the PCG and EPUB 3 CG
… and call the merged group PCG
… the tricky bit is we want the mailing list to be the
current mailing list of EPUB 3 CG
… that's the part that's causing the stickiness
tzviya: I've been in touch
with Mateus and Jeff to get things off the ground
… Mateus has been swamped by his day job
… I'll have a call with him in the next week or two
liisamk: anything else about the CG?
Ralph: I better get the mailing list sorted out :)
EU A11y
Cristina: with Avneesh
addition we may have solved what we discussed in the last call
… there were comments today about oNIx and schema that
might be included in the spec rather than charter
… they may be separate standard related to EAA
… I don't think we need to be explicit about metadata
standard in charter, but could be in the specifications
… and needs to be defined at European level
jeff_: the way i understood that, you thought there would be value in addressing metadata in EPUB 3 WG
<Makoto> I won' argue this time. I plan to argue when a new major version of EPUB A11Y is to be created.
Cristina: yes, I think so
dauwhe: The EPUB 3 charter doesn't mention ONIX because it is a separate standard, it is out of scope
Cristina: when we say in the charter that the spec should meet the needs of EAA, but we don't need to be specific about
dauwhe: we can mention how to point to ONIX records, but it is not the responsibility of the WG, and doesn't need to be mentioned in the charter
<tzviya> +1 dauwhe
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 re metadata strategy
<jeff_> [Just to be clear, I was not pushing for including Metadata in the WG; I was only suggesting that if Cristina wanted it in the WG, it should be in the Charter.]
dauwhe: we run into trouble
trying to define our own custom metadata schemes, we rely on external
vocabs for everything aside from the small amount of desciptive
metadata
… I hope we continue to learn from experience
Avneesh: +1 to Dave and
Cristina
… metadata is independent
+1 dauwhe as usual :)
Avneesh: we only added
things that weren't in ONIX and schema to fill gaps
… and we don't have time to harmonize things in the
timeline of our work
liisamk: I agree that
metadata in epub needs to be minimal, but it needs to be there for
reading system to interpret the file
… and then there's something about telling the reading
world what to expect from that content
Cristina: any other comments about a11y part?
Avneesh: what you said is good; I think we're OK for the charter
Cristina: I think the timeline we proposed is fine for EAA
<Bill_Kasdorf> just pointing out that Onix is mainly for the retail trade book supply chain; it is less important and sometimes not even used in scholarly and higher ed publishing
Cristina: we need to follow step-by-step what will happen. We can't define everything in detail right now
liisamk: could you give the group an explainer on the timeline?
cristina: there's a
milestone in June next year, where they decide which type of standard
they will use for EAA
… it's best to have something for them; this is the
important timeline
… everything else depends on w3c process
… but we do want to have a doc for EAA that also
complies with w3c process at that time
… first timeline is summer 2021
survey
wendyreid: let me send some links...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11KjkTzyuOeDLlCiAccQYSJ5J-vNHJ_s2U3r4ws1FPLA
wendyreid: yesterday I
posted the blog post on the w3c blog
… feel free to share
<tzviya> https://www.w3.org/blog/2020/05/publishingw3c-epub-survey-results/
wendyreid: I don't have access to p@w3c twitter
https://www.w3.org/blog/2020/05/publishingw3c-epub-survey-results/
wendyreid: we sent out
links, got a lot of attention
… I'll let everyone read the blog post and the slides
… it looks like a big success
<jeff_> PBG++ Great survey
<jeff_> Wendy++ Great summary
liisamk: Laurent has asked
Cristina, Daihei, and I to give a preso at the DPUB summit on Tuesday,
June 2 at 5:30PM CET
… and we've been thinking that we need to put together
an executive summary, which could be shared with management
tzviya: I think that the slide deck is in good shape for an exec summary
tick tock tick tock tick tock
tzviya: you can flip through quickly, and the blog post is also a good summary. I don't think we need a shorter version.
tick tock tick tock
liisamk: I disagree, because
I could not pass that deck to my boss
… even the blog post is too much
… I might do this for myself, and I can share
Cristina: I was thinking
that the executive summary would be more management oriented
… describing the need of the new charter and less
technical
… we need a different point of view
Daihei: I agree with
Cristina
… we need an executive summary to all the business
executives, so we can raise their interest in the epub activities
… and can lead to their joining the WG and CG
… for Japan, I'm intending to translate this exec
summary into Japanese, and also send to Taiwan
… the whole purpose is to get their attention
… I want the precious and important information to be
shared
jeff_: did we schedule a
meeting with the 250 participants to thank them for participating,
sharing the right level of summary
… and to tell them how impactful their input has been
in their going-forward strategy?
liisamk: we don't have
everyone's emails
… when we talked about next steps
… we wanted to give a high level, medium level, blog
post...
… and the need for new work
… but we also want to talk to this group for the folks
who wanted to continue to have a conversation
… we could have call-in workshops
… as follow-up
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask what the purpose of the blog post was
tzviya: the SC has been
talking about a webinar to thank and inform
… we'll talk about it on Friday
… the blog post does a pretty good job, it goes into a
lot of detail
… we can't ask volunteers to write too many versions
of the same content; we all did have the ability to review the blog
post
EPUB reading system bug github repo
liisamk: we have one bug so
far
… my team is working on adding more; we have some tech
difficulties
… how do we want to promote this? do others have bugs?
tzviya: a lot of us are
familiar with #eprdctn
… on twitter
<Ralph> Repository for EPUB 3 Reading Systems bugs
tzviya: it's a good place to
start
… some RS people hang out there, too
… maybe wendy, jeff, Garth, Brady, and Kindle can
participate
liisamk: Kindle is happy about this and is paying attention
tzviya: we hope people from
RSs will comment
… we should tweet about this
liisamk: we had proposed a
couple of months ago that we would have guests at our meetings
… laurent was our first, talking about Thorium
… so what do we do next?
… what would be helpful to the group. Thoughts?
Cristina: we want to define
what kinds of presentations we want to hear
… not only marketing
… we need to say what fits and what doesn't
… we need a clear idea what should be presented, and
what shouldn't
Daihei: I would like to
invite people to the PBG conference as guest speaker to stimulate
interest of the publishing industry
… and that's relating to something happening around
the web and in the various w3c groups
… which are doing things around digital media, which
is close to digital publishing, like in the media and publishing
group
… I would like to have people from CG talk about
incubation opportunities
… and people from w3c other groups to talk about what
they are seeking from p@w3c
… so we can have exchange and know what's happening in
the web world
… instead of guest speaker to market their services
… PBG should find the business interests in publishing
and close to publishing
tzviya: that's an
interesting idea
… a lot of W3C folks work on incubation and what's
coming next in w3c
… are you interested in someone like WendyS who's in
charge of strategy and what's next for all w3c
… or people from things like WebXR CG
… or people from WICG which does a lot of different
things?
… we don't need an answer today
Daihei: exactly, that's what
I'm looking for
… and WOT
… device side or lifestyle side and content side go
hand-in-hand
… we need to set the priority list, the chairs could
work on that
<Ralph> [I suspect we could sort the WGs, IGs, and CGs according to their potential to be of interest to Publishing@W3C]
Daihei: we want to expand our reach to those groups
liisamk: any other thoughts about guests for our meetings?
Ralph: great idea, Daihei
… the breadth of things w3c is working on and thinking
about working on; we could sort things according to their likelihood
of interest to publishing
… I can work with you to sort that list
meeting schedule
<liisamk> * June 9th/10th NA/Asia * June 23rd NA/Europe
<liisamk> * July 7th/8th NA/Asia * July 21st NA/Europe
<liisamk> * August 4th/5th NA/Asia * August 18th NA/Europe
liisamk: scheduling is easier because we're not scheduling around conferences
Daihei: speaking of schedule
… tonight at 11pm PDT
… there's a w3c japanese member conference starting at
2pm jst
… I will talk about digital publishing plus
… for 20min starting at 3PM JST
… done in Japanese
<Ralph> W3C Japanese member meeting
Daihei: a lot of people from other groups will talk about WOT, XR, etc
liisamk: can I share
possible good news?
… last week I found that our friends at Kindle intend
for FXL books to have two covers
… so we can one EPUB to rule them all for kid's
picture books :)
ivan: it would be nice to have them in the WG
liisamk: thanks everyone