<LisaSeemanKest> agenda
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y_HOyuMKltOQoZr0Gk7hMQXi3Jd8Mc5fyr-XkH7kZQY/edit#heading=h.8h5xei6fw2my
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
<JustineP> scribe: JustineP
<LisaSeemanKest> scribe: JustineP
Lisa: user stories against personas, Steve?
Stevelee: Added patterns to the list.
Lisa: Next action, mental health issue paper
My call dropped. I will dial back in.
can someone scribe for a moment?
<Jennie> scribe: Jennie
I have not completed this yet
Lisa: Jennie, please review this week.
OK
<JustineP> thank you, Jennie! I am back and will take over.
<JustineP> scribe: JustineP
<Jennie> Lisa: Justine is working on a new section of the policy section
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rZss28td0Kyf70CEubbu-slin7CkftA7Vn_h28Hnwi0/edit
<Jennie> * Jennie No problem Justine!
Lisa: some comments have been
inserted so far into the policy section
... Any support needed in WCAG work?
Jennie: Finding Help SC was on
this week's agenda but group could not discuss. Will verify
that it will be on next week's agenda.
... working with others to address feedback received in survey
to-date.
<Jennie> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fX4Iw169OGUny5RTd70S8qAneYy5e0hr7zupE21gPBM/edit
Jennie: First area of SC, working
to maintain essential components in order to push through
... reduce commentary on ways to solve.
Steve: Agree with status.
Abi: Visual Indicators SC looks like it will not make it into 2.1 and will be deferred to Silver.
Lisa: Is that decision final?
Abi: Not final. We do need a lot
of examples, data, patterns, etc.
... people feel that this could be accomplished through
personalization but there is some concern about challenges with
mobile devices.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/WCAG_2.2_Success_Criteria_Groups
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11IKqjRFvkRd2dAfUiyc5whhB3yIYXvSiirWct7KQIB0/edit#gid=0
Stevelee: So many examples needed that timeframe is very tight.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WhZAbswvPHs7A3stfqM_ATsaBHPeGbHtARcmaKMck1U/edit?usp=sharing
Lisa: We should reach out to
David MacDonald to see if he could use our assistance.
... maybe we should consider a followup discussion.
Abi: SC has two alternative wordings currently.
Lisa: both versions are the same
Abi: personalization is much more
difficult on touch screens, difficult to identify if an object
is interactive.
... if we push into 2.2 we might end up with an SC that doesn't
really address use case
<johnkirkwood> very good point
Jennie: One concern was if the rigor needed to support personalization is not available it would put at risk.
Lisa: Would prefer not to defer
to Silver unless absolutely necessary.
... if alternative wording make it easier to get in the SC. If
it puts us at risk we need to understand why and how to
address.
... is an ongoing usability problem. I will follow up with
David MacDonald.
<abi> Spreadsheet for collating examples of visual indicators https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1fw8C-uHkPzI9IH4wWXdzjRmyfxTHNIYX3vk62Xsph4M%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=01%7C01%7Cabi.james%40abilitynet.org.uk%7C03e42e1992cd4be73dd808d7a59844e0%7C5bd8c13f5e45437d8fc3cfc2466065f9%7C0&sdata=UV%2B6SK1dV%2BuWlXm5JIEhUytbjatpTdll30qT7M1%2BlWI%3D&reserved=0
<abi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fw8C-uHkPzI9IH4wWXdzjRmyfxTHNIYX3vk62Xsph4M/edit
Abi: It is still moving along. Will need to add examples into the file.
Lisa: I watch people press an
icon and the icon is not the interactive area. It is a
problem.
... if there is a risk we should work to mitigate.
Jennie: Understanding context of
the feedback we received will help as we are searching for
examples.
... if survey results are still available that context would be
helpful to us.
Stevelee: I am searching for link to share.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0QpMa2XKB4UIEJKjL98y7Dw7vcbtC41skRmrexGs6M/edit#heading=h.qqgz8tvr0tyj
Lisa: two patterns from the
mental health paper have been edited into existing
patterns
... added text in 7 to inform user of risk in plain
language
Stevelee: I would personally like to be told what the risk is to determine if it applies to me.
Lisa: In text, we are informing
user of risk and letting them decide.
... does anyone want to write text regarding pattern with
trigger sensitivity?
... we want to warn people before they get to that content so
that they can avoid it.
... this affects all types of content. Any volunteers to write
text?
... PTSD is the main focus for the trigger sensitivity
text.
... I will write if necessary but needs to be written within
the next week.
<Jennie> Visual indicators status from WCAG minutes 1/7/2020: 1 concern was plugins don't work on mobile (fallback option discussed earlier), another on testability. Need examples with screenshots that pass/fail, have good and bad examples any why they would or not pass. one column of screenshots. Status: leave open. (Jennie: my apologies, it was not a concern on personalization)
Lisa: for personas, let's go through and edit into existing text.
Stevelee: horizontal scrolling was a problem since people got lost.
Abi: WCAG 2.1 focuses on 400% zoom
Stevelee: Let's check that these are cognitive requirements rather than "nice to haves"
Lisa: Only new pattern is the trigger sensitivity
<Jennie> Visual indicators status from WCAG minutes 1/7/2020: 1 concern was plugins don't work on mobile (fallback option discussed earlier), another on testability. Need examples with screenshots that pass/fail, have good and bad examples any why they would or not pass. one column of screenshots. Status: leave open. (Jennie: my apologies, it was not a concern on personalization)
Jennie: Pasted in IRC status from last meeting. Concern was focus on plugins and mobile.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Actions
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Todo_lists
Lisa: On planning page, I've
added a "to do" list for smaller activities.
... next, added a language guide with information about
audience, sentence length, etc.
... for editorial work, considerations that apply while editing
documents.
<kirkwood> There is a difference between the UK and US on terms are we standardizing?
Lisa: also looking at standardizing terminology
<kirkwood> That is correct.
Lisa: Is everyone comfortable with the new pages? And comfortable with terminology around impairment and disability?
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Coga_terms_langauge_guide
Jennie: Where is the list that you're referencing?
Lisa: This is a terms and language guide for editors.
<kirkwood> yes well said.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
Lisa: the other page is a scribe list and I've added the names of people. Would people prefer to add themselves instead?
Stevelee: Some groups have a list of names that rotate.
<kirkwood> ok with me
Lisa: If you don't want to/can't
scribe please contact me. Or you can edit the page and take
your name out.
... what do people prefer?
Jennie: List is helpful. Week of CSUN attendance is questionable.
Lisa: Let us know if you can't make your assigned week.
Lisa: Content Usable -- other sections need editing.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rZss28td0Kyf70CEubbu-slin7CkftA7Vn_h28Hnwi0/edit#
Lisa: Justine edited section 6.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#guidance_for_policy_makers
Justine: edits focused on non-technical guidance and an overhaul of the table
Lisa: is table useful or keep
patterns as an appendix? Is there more to say about making a
policy?
... clear design does require user testing?
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#guidance_for_policy_makers
Jennie: Consider adding legal documents into the list of scenarios (e.g., consent forms targeting guardians of people with disabilities)
Lisa: we might cover elsewhere/address with tips. Jennie, would you like to review this section and see what needs to be added?
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Developer_resources
Jennie, that was a great point you made.
Jennie: One question that arises
is the ability to live in your own apartment. Signing forms and
understanding responsibility as a renter is a legal
component.
... would like to see this kind of issue addressed in policy
section regarding legal issues.
Lisa: We should have a sentence that mentions that when working with people with particular disabilities additional considerations apply...etc.
Jennie: Will draft sentence and share with Justine.
<LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#differences_testing
Lisa: Do you also want to look at 4.1?
<kirkwood> I may be able to get some input for that as well.
Jennie: Depends on the
timeline.
... can review in next 2 weeks.
... let me know if anyone else wants to take a section of
Content Usable that could use a rewrite.
*last was Lisa
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