<janina> scribe: janina
jb: Next Wednesday 11 September -- Any conflicts?
<Judy> NEXT MEETING SEPT 11th
jb: Noting the W3C offices are in the midst of a move
janina: CAPTCHA published, needs more announcing
Sharron: EO about to publish
media resource ...
... Called "Accessible Media Guide"
<Sharron> The resource is called "Making Audio and Video Media Accessible" and is found here:
<Sharron> https://wai-media-guide.netlify.com/design-develop/media/
janina: Strong possibility to
kill off interactive CAPTCHA via emerging blockchain
... Conversation scheduled at TPAC
... I will ask Roy to help find someone to translate to
Chinese
Judy: We agreed to touch on this
at this meeting
... Understand several joint mtgs being scheduled
James: Joint with Publishing, and with CSS
<Judy> Janina: CSS joing meeting is on. Decentralized identifiers may be. [@@@ is on.] AOM meeting request is being revised to be more specific.
<Judy> Janina: May be one with Immersive Web XR.
APA Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019
Judy: Reminding everyone of APA's wide scope, so feel welcome in that agenda!
Janina: Silver is being expressly invited
Judy: Reminding people to make thorough plans for travel if traveling with a disability
Judy: Noting our longdesc discussion; Have w followed up?
mc: On my plh list
Judy: We should make sure we communicate
mc: Believe I'm scheduled Friday
Judy: Excellent
... Looking to Janina to make sure we don't lose existing
longdesc encoded content
Katie: Suggests TPAC conversation with Dpub
Janina: Joint APA Dpub scheduled after lunch Thursday
CL: Haven't seen it used
recently
... People using ARIA-Describedby
... We have deprecated longdesc
GK: Believe one publisher may
still be using
... Is it flagged in AX?
Katie: Will look
<Ryladog> Does Deque's aXe check for longdesc? Katie will follow-up
Janina: Suggests a script to transform old content to Summary/Details
Judy: Series of discussions to
clarify scope
... A request to restrict "applications" to web
... Believe it may out in the next day or so; Comments
welcome
gk: Assuming dpub web viewers would be included?
Judy: Unsure how to answer -- Michael?
mc: If I understand, agwg has dependency on non web tech, so spills over a bit, but we won't do normative on nonweb
Judy: What about web viewers?
mc: It's an example that can be used on or off web; So is scoped when used on web
gk: Assume Google docs, etc are in scope? They're apps living on the web
Katie: I used to be concerned about this, but if it's clearly software only ...
Janina: Suggest off-line viewing of web content really is still web
Judy: W3C working on better
defining this kind of scoping
... e.g. much of XR is applicable off web as well
... Recalling one of dom's graphics ... what percentage is web
content, hybrid, etc
... Had represented it clearly as a continuum
<Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask about off-line viewing?
gk: Major discussion re service
workers taking an online pub and packaging for off line
... That will need to be a11y
Judy: Packaging is the correct
term here
... Who's tracking?
gk: Not Dpub; we have a spec for audio, but not a web publication to offline use
[discussion on who owns packaging]
<Rachael> scribe: Rachael
Janina: Assigned as an action item to someone reliable but sometimes events interfered. We did, in APA, in between assigning action and taking up the outcome, was to look at last year's minutes to see what the complaints were last year.
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on hybridization
Janina: we will be better
prepared to answer the questions (who, what skills, etc)
... I think we'll have a report by the 11th.
Judy: It sounds like you have it under control but can I help at all?
Janina: Attend the call?
Judy: Lets try. May be hard due to timing w/ TPAC. May want to invite Josh but I will try to attend.
<janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2019Aug/0067.html
Judy: Workshop we are expecting.
Janina: The announcement went out.
Judy: Has there been a message
from W3C staff? I want to make sure it went out.
... there is a workshop in Seattle in November 5th and 6th in
inclusive XR
... there was an XR symposium that had good turnout. We expect
this one to be more focused on standards issues and
opportunities.
... if you know of people who are interested in, or if your
workforce/taskforce has intersection with this (virtual reality
or expanded reality space) get someone to the meeting. Any
questions?
<Judy> https://w3c.github.io/inclusive-xr-workshop/
Judy: There has been a fair amount of discussion in the research taskforce. We are noticing there is a cluster of technology that apply across XR and games. We may end up tracking it all together.
Are there intersections we are missing with other groups such as ARIA or Silver? Publishing?
James: Useful if someone from ARIA
<janina> Look for XAUR at https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Main_Page
Judy: Would you mind giving some examples of things that ARIA needs to handle in that space?
James: I can envision people looking at things and extending roles into VR space. Things that you want to interact with. Not sure if its good or not at this time.
Judy: Any other comments on relevance?
Charles: From other groups that may be interested, APA tasksforce on personalization may be relevant. I can talk to Janina about that.
Ryladog: About the XR workshop. I
was previously talking about having captions within the XR
experience.
... I recommended people who were not developers to go to the
workshop. Can I go to this workshop without having something to
present?
Judy: Usually the workshops have a proposal requirement. You don't have to present but put in a position. There are ways to go without presenting.
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to ask Charles about AR overlays on geography, landmarks etc and to also remind people upcoming Immersive Web CG
Judy: Charles, I was envisioning
another application that was an intersection between publishing
and VR. For example, a published tour book. You want the
augmented reality projections on the landmarks. That capability
needs to be built into the use cases.
... we need to know which standards would support that.
... Josh OConnor is developing a collection of XR user
requirements. That type of thing isn't in there yet.
Can someone on the call drop in the link for that?
<Ryladog> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Xaur_draft
<janina> See this email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2019Feb/0032.htmlhttps://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Main_Page
George: Watching the Read 2.0
list, it seems ther eis quite a lot of activity around
publishing using VR and AR. We don't have any activities in the
publishing group that deal with this but I see it on the list.
But I see its big and centered in Seattle.
... amazon is in Seattle?
Janina: Amazon is also the cochair for the immersive tech group.
Judy: Janina, can you remind people of your role on this call?
Janina: Here, I am an invited expert as the chair of APA. In Silver I am an Amazon rep.
Judy: You are able though to provide informative information to Amazon.
Janina: Yes.
Judy: Good to clarify.
... I'm thinking about what you are saying George that
publishing does not yet have any organized activities around
AR/VR but that it is coming at you.
George: Its a bandwidth issue. People don't have the time to explore these things.
Judy: Can W3C help with this? The
upcoming workshop is still being shaped. Should we include a
container that intesects with all the W3C groups it
should.
... what is most helpful to people?
Janina: Key is that people
working in this tech are aware there are people with
disabilities who will want to use it.
... It woudl be good to have a post that I can point people to.
Invite them to think about what their doing in terms of
accessibility
Judy: I will find the workshop announcement and forward it to this list.
George: I can craft it from there.
<CharlesL1> FYI, I spoke at the last VR conference in San Jose back in 2016 on accessibility not being an afterthought.
Janina: There are a couple of
URIs that you will find useful.
... 360 degree captioning. Where we are thinking about this
deeply is in RTF. Link to that.
... today's APA minutes as well. Those will show up at TPAC
<CharlesL1> Here is that lightning talk I did for that conference Lightning talks
<CharlesL1> https://www.w3.org/2016/06/vr-workshop/slides/VR-Accessibility.pdf, https://youtu.be/VHLg9z9muvI
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to remind people about immersive captions
Judy: Is there anything on the
infoshare item that needs to be shared now?
... the link above is the lightning talk.
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