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<megoth> i18n = internationalization
<TallTed> i18n is generally pronounced eye-eighteen-enn or internationalization
<Mitzi> list of apps review
<Mitzi> wondering who is taking responsibility for i18n
<scribe> scribe: elf-pavlik
<michielbdejong> what was the command again to see the queue?
<Mitzi> Would like to keep best practices recorded and defined people to ensure that the practices are implemented
megoth: SDK has support for multiple languages
<megoth> seems the bot is missing?
<Mitzi> great, thank you
<michielbdejong> i just did '/invite Zakim #solid'
KjetilK: tests I focus on works on HTTP layer
<michielbdejong> present?
<Mitzi> would be good to have a task force dedicated to putting attention to that
<Michael_Thornburgh> <-- "zenomt" on github
michielbdejong: if you open
websockets from browser you can't add Authorization
header
... one could include it in URL as query parameter
<michielbdejong> https://github.com/solid/web-access-control-spec/issues/44
<Mitzi> ACTION: set up a team with a taskforce for accessibility and internationalisation and collect information in a .md including links [recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/05/09-solid-irc]
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michielbdejong: I hope we can do it without adding breaking changes to the spec
elf-pavlik: maybe we can use Server-Sent Events
KjetilK: I read the spec but
didn't like it
... I don't know websockets protocol, just skimmed the spec, it
has some opening handshake, how does that relate to what we
need
michielbdejong: if you open ws
from commandline you can send Authorizatio header, but you
can't do it from the browser
... using a cookie, or token in URL would work in a
browser
... i could try to make it work and it might answer some
questions if this would work
<KjetilK> +1 to experiments by implementation :-)
<megoth> Kjetil: please mute ;)
<megoth> +1 on experiments from me as well ^_^
<Matthias_Evering> experiments with rdflib from here
michielbdejong: when you share
document you ad .acl file and usually you do that using Turtle
syntax
... issue 45 in web-access-control repo
megoth: I think creators of the
vocab assumed that RDF processors will speak all standard
formats
... some JSON-LD processors don't
<mpigott> Apache Jena (Java) can translate between all of the major formats
<mpigott> https://jena.apache.org/documentation/io/
<megoth> rdflib does allow for translating between JSON-LD and TTL
<megoth> (realize I'm not 100% sure about that actually... but I`m quite certain it does...)
<megoth> (realize I'm not 100% sure about that actually... but I'm quite certain it does...)
<TallTed> rdflib *says* it "Reads and writes RDF/XML, Turtle and N3; Reads RDFa and JSON-LD" -- https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js/
<megoth> thx
michielbdejong: it's hard to write RDF apps in JS, some things work in rdf-ext, some in rdflib.js
elf-pavlik: http://rdf.js.org/
Mitzi: I see a lot of open issues
on spec, some weeks ago we went through all of them
... it was helpful to get up to speed and see what needs to be
decided
... we setup some milestones with solid team
... some issues are from 2015
<Mitzi> https://github.com/solid/information/blob/master/decision-making-processes.md
Mitzi: we need to decide how we decide
<TallTed> PS rdflib does apparently have work toward JSON-LD output -- see https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js/issues/303
Mitzi, I think for each of the issues we need to know the problem
scribe: each one needs to be able
to propose solution with prons and cons
... we need to decide who needs to be able to vote
... to avoid blocking by someone who might not have stake in
the project
Mitzi, just a proposal to discuss it, not a final decision
<Matthias_Evering> ... feels like a visitor and would like to be tolerated as beginner
Mitzi, I think that issues from 2015 should get resolved at some point soon
Mike: how would votes take place?
Mitzi: suggestions welcome
https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/
<Mitzi> w3c process document might have some guidance
Mitzi: i did read it, it has some examples how other people go about it
<mpigott> (For the future readers of this transcript, I’m Mike!)
megoth: Really good that you try
tackling this challenge, i wonder how this could work in
practice
... maybe we can find more sources of inspiration
<megoth> +1 on starting with a non-controversial issue
dmitriz: I think we need some
kind of process
... W3C is heavy weight and it doesn't say how to decide
<TallTed> W3 process starts with "build consensus" and typically has a fallback to "vote, with majority rule"
dmitriz, Soshana is a scholar of open source technologies, she studies how various open source projects decide how to decide, how to do practical things
<michielbdejong> have to run, sorry! present-
elf-pavlik: sharing how we do it in RDFJS CG
<TallTed> ( present± is meeting-long; there's no overall tracking of mid-meeting arrivals/departures. but that will be seen in the log and/or minutes. )
Mitzi: do you agree that people
who can vote can be MIT team and Solid CG participants?
... any objections to add people to this list?
dmitriz: no objections, everyone can join CG
<TallTed> https://github.com/solid/solid-spec/issues
<KjetilK> +1
https://github.com/solid/solid-spec/pull/92
remove .ttl from RDFSource URIs
mpigott: I thought that DID and
WebID-TLS came out, what happened with that?
... in last weeks notes one can see that
https://www.w3.org/community/solid/wiki/Meetings#IRC_log
<Mitzi> https://github.com/solid/information#solid-learning-material
<TallTed> and we come around again to the question of primacy -- spec vs NSS implementation (vs reference implementation, if not NSS)
elf-pavlik: I see it as one of hard issues which may have more disagreements, I think we should start addressing it ASAP and don't kick the can down the road
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