<alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04#Main_agenda
alejandra: we need to discuss the change to daylight saving times
<alejandra> agenda confirmed
<alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/27-dxwgdcat-minutes
<Makx> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/27-dxwgdcat-minutes
https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes
<riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes
<alejandra> from two weeks ago: https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes
<alejandra> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
0
<Makx> 0
Resolved: minutes from two weeks ago approved
<alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
<alejandra> PWinstanley: my actions still ongoing as they are new use cases on rate
AndreaPerego: 85+86 are ongoing, as they depend on a decision from the WG about the use of properties dct:rights, dct:license, dct:accessRights
… 134 is yet to be done
… 205 is also still to be done
<alejandra> topics: comments on public list
<alejandra> no comments at the moment
alejandra: not aware that there are any
alejandra: in Australia times change this weekend, and in Europe it is the end of October. There will at one point be a different of 2h to the current
<riccardoAlbertoni> yes let's have a doodle..
<AndreaPerego> I would support restoring the original evening time.
alejandra: so shall we go back to the previous winter timetable?
<riccardoAlbertoni> or restore the previous
+1 to AndreaPerego
<Makx> +1
riccardoAlbertoni: we should check with the Australians to see if restoring the previous timetable suits them
<riccardoAlbertoni> wednesday ..
alejandra: we might just do a doodle poll
<Makx> yes do doodle
Action: alejandra to do a doodle for new date (including our previous time of Wednesdays)
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alejandra: in the plenary we discussed the status of the draft
<riccardoAlbertoni> I was there.. ;)
<alejandra> 2nd PWD: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-2pwd-internal-review/dcat/index.html
<alejandra> ED: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
alejandra: there is a specific branch for the 2PWD which is a different branch but up to date with the editors draft
… we have followed up on Annette's comments on needing a link to all the github open issues
… and a few other changes that point to open issues, such as information equivalence of distributions
… We will publish even thought there are still open issues
<alejandra> Milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13
alejandra: We have a couple of issues on the milestone - one PR is related to a comment from Annette
… there are also some editorial changes
… but I am proposing that we just keep going with the publication schedule
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
<Makx> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
<alejandra> moving #353 and #320 to next milestone
<alejandra> merge PR #440 into the 2nd PWD
+1
<riccardoAlbertoni> fine
<alejandra> +1
<Makx> +1
alejandra: so we are ready for the publication and will engage with Dave Raggett to get publication started tomorrow (Friday)
<alejandra> comment by Karen at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13
<alejandra> comment by Karen: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Sep/0400.html
<alejandra> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#profiles
alejandra: the only addition we could make here is to point to the other doc which is work in progress
<Makx> +1
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
alejandra: agreed?
+1
<alejandra> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
alejandra: so it will be a small editorial change done by tomorrow
AndreaPerego: I was reviewing the draft and noticed some issues with the URLs pointing to other docs not working
… so I will create a PR
alejandra: please do asap
<AndreaPerego> PROF-CONNEG: https://www.w3.org/TR/conneg-by-ap/
AndreaPerego: in this case we can point to the github
alejandra: agree. there should be no 404 links in the draft
Action: AndreaPerego will do a PR to fix this broken link to the conneg-by-ap by pointing to the github version for now
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riccardoAlbertoni: W3C has a procedure to check links and doesn't publish if there are dead links
… so use the W3C tool for page validity
<AndreaPerego> I'll do the check with the W3C link checker.
<Makx> go ahead
<alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
alejandra: please propose topics so that the agenda can be prepared
<alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
<riccardoAlbertoni> data quality #58 is already assigned to me ;)
makx: I'd like to look at our planning - we should be ready by the end of this year. planning is Q2 2019
<alejandra> PWinstanley: original charter closes in early 2019
<alejandra> ... so we should be getting things ready for final publication by Q1 2019
<alejandra> Makx: so are we talking about a 3rd PWD or directly a final draft?
<alejandra> PWinstanley: first day of the F2F will be discussing this
<alejandra> Makx: worried about the publication within the WG and exposure outside it
<alejandra> PWinstanley: accepted - we should push as much as we can
<alejandra> ... I've been getting significant progress with Japan
<alejandra> ... I'm hoping to get feedback from them
<alejandra> ... other engagement I've got is with someone in South Africa
<alejandra> ... engamenet with wider global community
<alejandra> ... it's something we need to be doing all the time
<AndreaPerego> I tend to agree with Makx. I also have the impression that people are waiting for a more consolidated spec.
alejandra: I agree with Makx . My main concern now is internal participation
… I f people are waiting for a more consolidated spec we need engagement
AndreaPerego: I keep on promoting the DXWG work within JRC and don't get much feedback. Simon is doing the same.
… I also try to make it clear that although the first version was addressing government data, the second is more in line with scientific data
… I will keep on advertising
Makx: that is something we need to work on at the F2F. we should drop new stuff and move quickly to a stable document, because people are probably waiting until we have a solid deliverable before they comment
… we should pick out only the requirements that are really necessary and complete the work
+1 to Makx
<Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that we need also to think about implementations
alejandra: we need to have the view of WG participants to decide when to stop
riccardoAlbertoni: we should see what implementations people in the group can make
… implementation takes time
… we cannot rely on people outside the group
AndreaPerego: I can take on board some of the pieces that will be relevant for geospatial and scientific data, but i cannot deliver a full implementation
… I agree with Makx and riccardoAlbertoni - we need a final version. we need to ensure that all that is recommended is supported by implementations
… we should look for things that are already implemented but described in DCAT-AP already 'out there'
… if we know that things are already implemented according to existing profiles we don't need to do more
<alejandra> Specific issues
<alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114
<alejandra> The proposal by Makx is
<alejandra> use dct:license to refer to licences like Creative Commons use dct:rights to refer to rights statements that are not licences, such as copyright statements use odrl:hasPolicy for linking to ODRL policies
AndreaPerego: the use of these license and access rights is something we have illustrations of
… sometimes people confuse use conditions with access conditions
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 ( let's make this explicit as guidance in the document )
AndreaPerego: it can be difficult to understand the different types of rights, so we need to make this clear in guidance
<alejandra> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#Property:dataservice_access_rights
AndreaPerego: this is in addition to what Makx mentions
Makx: my proposal doesn't go into this detail
<riccardoAlbertoni> s/ +1 to me/ +1
alejandra: we are using dct:accessRights already
<AndreaPerego> About dct:accessRights: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#ID17
<Makx> +1
proposed: accept Makx proposal on issue 114
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1
<Makx> +1
+1
<alejandra> +1
<Makx> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114
<AndreaPerego> +1
<Makx> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114#issuecomment-424871629
Resolved: accept Makx proposal on issue 114
Action: Makx provide PR for the text of issue 114
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<riccardoAlbertoni> thanks bye!
bye
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