04 October 2018

Meeting minutes

confirm agenda

<alejandra> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04#Main_agenda

alejandra: we need to discuss the change to daylight saving times

<alejandra> agenda confirmed

approve minutes

<alejandra> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2018/‌09/‌27-dxwgdcat-minutes

<Makx> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2018/‌09/‌27-dxwgdcat-minutes


<riccardoAlbertoni> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2018/‌09/‌20-dxwgdcat-minutes

<alejandra> from two weeks ago: https://‌www.w3.org/‌2018/‌09/‌20-dxwgdcat-minutes

<alejandra> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1


<Makx> 0

Resolved: minutes from two weeks ago approved

open actions

<alejandra> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌open

<alejandra> PWinstanley: my actions still ongoing as they are new use cases on rate

AndreaPerego: 85+86 are ongoing, as they depend on a decision from the WG about the use of properties dct:rights, dct:license, dct:accessRights
… 134 is yet to be done
… 205 is also still to be done

<alejandra> topics: comments on public list

comments on the public list

<alejandra> no comments at the moment

alejandra: not aware that there are any

Review meeting schedule through clock changes in October

schedule for end of october

alejandra: in Australia times change this weekend, and in Europe it is the end of October. There will at one point be a different of 2h to the current

<riccardoAlbertoni> yes let's have a doodle..

<AndreaPerego> I would support restoring the original evening time.

alejandra: so shall we go back to the previous winter timetable?

<riccardoAlbertoni> or restore the previous

+1 to AndreaPerego

<Makx> +1

riccardoAlbertoni: we should check with the Australians to see if restoring the previous timetable suits them

<riccardoAlbertoni> wednesday ..

alejandra: we might just do a doodle poll

<Makx> yes do doodle

Action: alejandra to do a doodle for new date (including our previous time of Wednesdays)

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Status and comments for 2nd Public Working Draft

alejandra: in the plenary we discussed the status of the draft

<riccardoAlbertoni> I was there.. ;)

<alejandra> 2nd PWD: https://‌rawgit.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌dcat-2pwd-internal-review/‌dcat/‌index.html

<alejandra> ED: https://‌w3c.github.io/‌dxwg/‌dcat/

alejandra: there is a specific branch for the 2PWD which is a different branch but up to date with the editors draft
… we have followed up on Annette's comments on needing a link to all the github open issues
… and a few other changes that point to open issues, such as information equivalence of distributions
… We will publish even thought there are still open issues

<alejandra> Milestone: https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌milestone/‌13

alejandra: We have a couple of issues on the milestone - one PR is related to a comment from Annette
… there are also some editorial changes
… but I am proposing that we just keep going with the publication schedule

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1

<Makx> +1

<AndreaPerego> +1

<alejandra> moving #353 and #320 to next milestone

<alejandra> merge PR #440 into the 2nd PWD


<riccardoAlbertoni> fine

<alejandra> +1

<Makx> +1

alejandra: so we are ready for the publication and will engage with Dave Raggett to get publication started tomorrow (Friday)

<alejandra> comment by Karen at https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌milestone/‌13

<alejandra> comment by Karen: https://‌lists.w3.org/‌Archives/‌Public/‌public-dxwg-wg/‌2018Sep/‌0400.html

<alejandra> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌dxwg/‌dcat/#profiles

alejandra: the only addition we could make here is to point to the other doc which is work in progress

<Makx> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1

alejandra: agreed?


<alejandra> +1

<AndreaPerego> +1

alejandra: so it will be a small editorial change done by tomorrow


AndreaPerego: I was reviewing the draft and noticed some issues with the URLs pointing to other docs not working
… so I will create a PR

alejandra: please do asap

<AndreaPerego> PROF-CONNEG: https://‌www.w3.org/‌TR/‌conneg-by-ap/

AndreaPerego: in this case we can point to the github

alejandra: agree. there should be no 404 links in the draft

Action: AndreaPerego will do a PR to fix this broken link to the conneg-by-ap by pointing to the github version for now

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riccardoAlbertoni: W3C has a procedure to check links and doesn't publish if there are dead links
… so use the W3C tool for page validity

<AndreaPerego> I'll do the check with the W3C link checker.

<Makx> go ahead


<alejandra> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌F2f4

alejandra: please propose topics so that the agenda can be prepared

Work for next milestone

<alejandra> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌milestone/‌14

<riccardoAlbertoni> data quality #58 is already assigned to me ;)

makx: I'd like to look at our planning - we should be ready by the end of this year. planning is Q2 2019

<alejandra> PWinstanley: original charter closes in early 2019

<alejandra> ... so we should be getting things ready for final publication by Q1 2019

<alejandra> Makx: so are we talking about a 3rd PWD or directly a final draft?

<alejandra> PWinstanley: first day of the F2F will be discussing this

<alejandra> Makx: worried about the publication within the WG and exposure outside it

<alejandra> PWinstanley: accepted - we should push as much as we can

<alejandra> ... I've been getting significant progress with Japan

<alejandra> ... I'm hoping to get feedback from them

<alejandra> ... other engagement I've got is with someone in South Africa

<alejandra> ... engamenet with wider global community

<alejandra> ... it's something we need to be doing all the time

<AndreaPerego> I tend to agree with Makx. I also have the impression that people are waiting for a more consolidated spec.

alejandra: I agree with Makx . My main concern now is internal participation
… I f people are waiting for a more consolidated spec we need engagement

AndreaPerego: I keep on promoting the DXWG work within JRC and don't get much feedback. Simon is doing the same.
… I also try to make it clear that although the first version was addressing government data, the second is more in line with scientific data
… I will keep on advertising

Makx: that is something we need to work on at the F2F. we should drop new stuff and move quickly to a stable document, because people are probably waiting until we have a solid deliverable before they comment
… we should pick out only the requirements that are really necessary and complete the work

+1 to Makx

<Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that we need also to think about implementations

alejandra: we need to have the view of WG participants to decide when to stop

riccardoAlbertoni: we should see what implementations people in the group can make
… implementation takes time
… we cannot rely on people outside the group

AndreaPerego: I can take on board some of the pieces that will be relevant for geospatial and scientific data, but i cannot deliver a full implementation
… I agree with Makx and riccardoAlbertoni - we need a final version. we need to ensure that all that is recommended is supported by implementations
… we should look for things that are already implemented but described in DCAT-AP already 'out there'
… if we know that things are already implemented according to existing profiles we don't need to do more

<alejandra> Specific issues

<alejandra> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌114

<alejandra> The proposal by Makx is

<alejandra> use dct:license to refer to licences like Creative Commons use dct:rights to refer to rights statements that are not licences, such as copyright statements use odrl:hasPolicy for linking to ODRL policies

AndreaPerego: the use of these license and access rights is something we have illustrations of
… sometimes people confuse use conditions with access conditions

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 ( let's make this explicit as guidance in the document )

AndreaPerego: it can be difficult to understand the different types of rights, so we need to make this clear in guidance

<alejandra> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌dxwg/‌dcat/#Property:dataservice_access_rights

AndreaPerego: this is in addition to what Makx mentions

Makx: my proposal doesn't go into this detail

<riccardoAlbertoni> s/ +1 to me/ +1

alejandra: we are using dct:accessRights already

<AndreaPerego> About dct:accessRights: https://‌w3c.github.io/‌dxwg/‌ucr/#ID17

<Makx> +1

proposed: accept Makx proposal on issue 114

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1

<Makx> +1


<alejandra> +1

<Makx> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌114

<AndreaPerego> +1

<Makx> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌114#issuecomment-424871629

Resolved: accept Makx proposal on issue 114

Action: Makx provide PR for the text of issue 114

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<riccardoAlbertoni> thanks bye!


Summary of action items

  1. alejandra to do a doodle for new date (including our previous time of Wednesdays)
  2. AndreaPerego will do a PR to fix this broken link to the conneg-by-ap by pointing to the github version for now
  3. Makx provide PR for the text of issue 114

Summary of resolutions

  1. minutes from two weeks ago approved
  2. accept Makx proposal on issue 114
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by Bert Bos's scribe.perl version 2.49 (2018/09/19 15:29:32), a reimplementation of David Booth's scribe.perl. See CVS log.


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