IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2018-10-04
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- Meeting: DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04
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- Chair: alejandra
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- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04#Main_agenda
- 08:31:20 [Makx]
- present+ Makx
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- present+
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- chair: alejandra
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- regrets: Alasdair Gray (ongoing), Erik Mannens (ongoing), Thomas D'Haenens (ongoing), Lars Svensson (ongoing), Dave Browning
- 08:33:52 [alejandra]
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra
- 08:34:45 [PWinstanley]
- present+
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- present+
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- +q
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- q-
- 08:42:16 [alejandra]
- scribeNick: PWinstanley
- 08:42:17 [PWinstanley]
- scribenick: PWinstanley
- 08:42:22 [alejandra]
- topic: confirm agenda
- 08:42:24 [alejandra]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04#Main_agenda
- 08:43:06 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: we need to discuss the change to daylight saving times
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- q?
- 08:44:06 [alejandra]
- agenda confirmed
- 08:44:13 [alejandra]
- topic: approve minutes
- 08:44:15 [alejandra]
- https://www.w3.org/2018/09/27-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 08:44:46 [Makx]
- https://www.w3.org/2018/09/27-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 08:44:48 [PWinstanley]
- https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 08:44:52 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 08:44:56 [alejandra]
- from two weeks ago: https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 08:45:12 [alejandra]
- +1
- 08:45:15 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 08:45:34 [PWinstanley]
- 0
- 08:45:34 [Makx]
- 0
- 08:45:39 [alejandra]
- resolved: minutes from two weeks ago approved
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- present+ AndreaPerego
- 08:46:05 [PWinstanley]
- topic: open actions
- 08:46:07 [alejandra]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
- 08:47:03 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 08:47:05 [alejandra]
- PWinstanley: my actions still ongoing as they are new use cases on rate
- 08:47:10 [alejandra]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 08:47:11 [alejandra]
- q?
- 08:47:44 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: 86 is ongoing
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- ... 134 is yet to be done
- 08:48:34 [PWinstanley]
- ... 205 is also still to be done
- 08:49:29 [alejandra]
- topics: comments on public list
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- topic: comments on the public list
- 08:49:34 [alejandra]
- no comments at the moment
- 08:49:40 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: not aware that there are any
- 08:49:42 [alejandra]
- q?
- 08:49:57 [alejandra]
- topic: Review meeting schedule through clock changes in October
- 08:49:58 [PWinstanley]
- topic: schedule for end of october
- 08:50:04 [AndreaPerego]
- s/86 is ongoing/85+86 are ongoing, as they depend on a decision from the WG about the use of properties dct:rights, dct:license, dct:accessRights/
- 08:50:25 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
- 08:50:37 [alejandra]
- q?
- 08:50:42 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: in Australia times change this weekend, and in Europe it is the end of October. There will at one point be a different of 2h to the current
- 08:50:50 [alejandra]
- q?
- 08:50:53 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- yes let's have a doodle..
- 08:50:55 [AndreaPerego]
- I would support restoring the original evening time.
- 08:50:57 [PWinstanley]
- ... so shall we go back to the previous winter timetable?
- 08:51:04 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- or restore the previous
- 08:51:06 [PWinstanley]
- +1 to AndreaPerego
- 08:51:08 [Makx]
- +1
- 08:51:16 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 08:51:22 [alejandra]
- ack riccardoAlbertoni
- 08:52:18 [PWinstanley]
- riccardoAlbertoni: we should check with the Australians to see if restoring the previous timetable suits them
- 08:52:52 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- wednesday ..
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- alejandra: we might just do a doodle poll
- 08:53:02 [Makx]
- yes do doodle
- 08:53:23 [alejandra]
- action: alejandra to do a doodle for new date (including our previous time of Wednesdays)
- 08:53:23 [trackbot]
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- 08:53:31 [alejandra]
- topic: Status and comments for 2nd Public Working Draft
- 08:53:49 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: in the plenary we discussed the status of the draft
- 08:53:50 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- I was there.. ;)
- 08:54:05 [alejandra]
- 2nd PWD: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-2pwd-internal-review/dcat/index.html
- 08:54:25 [alejandra]
- ED: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
- 08:54:28 [PWinstanley]
- ... there is a specific branch for the 2PWD which is a different branch but up to date with the editors draft
- 08:54:54 [PWinstanley]
- ... we have followed up on Annette's comments on needing a link to all the github open issues
- 08:55:26 [PWinstanley]
- ... and a few other changes that point to open issues, such as information equivalence of distributions
- 08:55:39 [PWinstanley]
- ...We will publish even thought there are still open issues
- 08:55:46 [alejandra]
- Milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13
- 08:56:07 [PWinstanley]
- ... We have a couple of issues on the milestone - one PR is related to a comment from Annette
- 08:56:20 [PWinstanley]
- ... there are also some editorial changes
- 08:56:39 [alejandra]
- q?
- 08:56:40 [PWinstanley]
- ... but I am proposing that we just keep going with the publication schedule
- 08:56:44 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 08:56:49 [Makx]
- +1
- 08:56:59 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 08:57:08 [alejandra]
- moving #353 and #320 to next milestone
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- merge PR #440 into the 2nd PWD
- 08:57:28 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 08:57:30 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- fine
- 08:57:32 [alejandra]
- +1
- 08:57:34 [Makx]
- +1
- 08:58:09 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: so we are ready for the publication and will engage with Dave Ragett to get publication started tomorrow (Friday)
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- s/Ragett/Raggett/
- 08:58:40 [alejandra]
- comment by Karen at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13
- 08:59:00 [alejandra]
- comment by Karen: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Sep/0400.html
- 08:59:25 [alejandra]
- https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#profiles
- 09:00:10 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: the only addition we could make here is to point to the other doc which is work in progress
- 09:00:11 [Makx]
- +1
- 09:00:13 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 09:00:14 [PWinstanley]
- ... agreed?
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- +1
- 09:00:21 [alejandra]
- +1
- 09:00:22 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 09:00:39 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: so it will be a small editorial change done by tomorrow
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- topic: F2F4
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- q+
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- ack AndreaPerego
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- 09:01:35 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: I was reviewing the draft and noticed some issues with the URLs pointing to other docs not working
- 09:01:45 [PWinstanley]
- ... so I will create a PR
- 09:01:54 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: please do asap
- 09:01:55 [AndreaPerego]
- PROF-CONNEG: https://www.w3.org/TR/conneg-by-ap/
- 09:02:16 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: in this case we can point to the github
- 09:02:52 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: agree. there should be no 404 links in the draft
- 09:03:18 [alejandra]
- action: AndreaPerego will do a PR to fix this broken link to the conneg-by-ap by pointing to the github version for now
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- 09:03:27 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:04:09 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +q
- 09:04:30 [alejandra]
- ack riccardoAlbertoni
- 09:05:00 [PWinstanley]
- riccardoAlbertoni: W3C has a procedure to check links and doesn't publish if there are dead links
- 09:05:23 [PWinstanley]
- ... so use the W3C tool for page validity
- 09:05:30 [AndreaPerego]
- I'll do the check with the W3C link checker.
- 09:05:48 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:06:03 [Makx]
- go ahead
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- topic: F2F4
- 09:06:20 [alejandra]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
- 09:06:44 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: please propose topics so that the agenda can be prepared
- 09:06:47 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:07:09 [alejandra]
- topic: Work for next milestone
- 09:07:25 [alejandra]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
- 09:08:15 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- data quality #58 is already assigned to me ;)
- 09:08:36 [Makx]
- q+
- 09:08:42 [alejandra]
- ack Makx
- 09:09:05 [PWinstanley]
- makx: I'd like to look at our planning - we should be ready by the end of this year. planning is Q2 2019
- 09:09:12 [PWinstanley]
- q+
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- ack PWinstanley
- 09:10:14 [alejandra]
- PWinstanley: original charter closes in early 2019
- 09:10:26 [alejandra]
- ... so we should be getting things ready for final publication by Q1 2019
- 09:10:39 [alejandra]
- Makx: so are we talking about a 3rd PWD or directly a final draft?
- 09:10:49 [alejandra]
- PWinstanley: first day of the F2F will be discussing this
- 09:11:04 [alejandra]
- Makx: worried about the publication within the WG and exposure outside it
- 09:11:13 [alejandra]
- PWinstanley: accepted - we should push as much as we can
- 09:11:27 [alejandra]
- ... I've been getting significant progress with Japan
- 09:11:40 [alejandra]
- ... I'm hoping to get feedback from them
- 09:11:53 [alejandra]
- ... other engagement I've got is with someone in South Africa
- 09:11:58 [alejandra]
- ... engamenet with wider global community
- 09:12:05 [alejandra]
- ... it's something we need to be doing all the time
- 09:13:27 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:13:38 [alejandra]
- q+
- 09:13:40 [AndreaPerego]
- I tend to agree with Makx. I also have the impression that people are waiting for a more consolidated spec.
- 09:13:52 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 09:14:20 [alejandra]
- ack alejandra
- 09:14:36 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: I agree with Makx . My main concern now is internal participation
- 09:14:48 [alejandra]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 09:14:55 [PWinstanley]
- ... I f people are waiting for a more consolidated spec we need engagement
- 09:15:13 [Makx]
- q+
- 09:15:32 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: I keep on promoting the DXWG work within JRC and don't get much feedback. Simon is doing the same.
- 09:16:04 [PWinstanley]
- ... I also try to make it clear that although the first version was addressing government data, the second is more in line with scientific data
- 09:16:08 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- q+ to say that we need also to think about implementations
- 09:16:09 [alejandra]
- ack Makx
- 09:16:11 [PWinstanley]
- ... I will keep on advertising
- 09:17:04 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 09:17:12 [PWinstanley]
- Makx: that is something we need to work on at the F2F. we should drop new stuff and move quickly to a stable document, because people are probably waiting until we have a solid deliverable before they comment
- 09:17:24 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:17:35 [PWinstanley]
- ... we should pick out only the requirements that are really necessary and complete the work
- 09:17:45 [PWinstanley]
- +1 to Makx
- 09:18:13 [alejandra]
- ack riccardoAlbertoni
- 09:18:13 [Zakim]
- riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that we need also to think about implementations
- 09:18:15 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: we need to have the view of WG participants to decide when to stop
- 09:18:45 [PWinstanley]
- riccardoAlbertoni: we should see what implementations people in the group can make
- 09:19:00 [PWinstanley]
- ... implementation takes time
- 09:19:18 [PWinstanley]
- ... we cannot rely on people outside the group
- 09:19:22 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:19:32 [alejandra]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 09:20:05 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: I can take on board some of the pieces that will be relevant for geospatial and scientific data, but i cannot deliver a full implementation
- 09:20:36 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:20:36 [PWinstanley]
- ... I agree with Makx and riccardoAlbertoni - we need a final version. we need to ensure that all that is recommended is supported by implementations
- 09:21:07 [PWinstanley]
- ... we should look for things that are already implemented but described in DCAT-AP already 'out there'
- 09:21:30 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:21:41 [PWinstanley]
- ... if we know that things are already implemented according to existing profiles we don't need to do more
- 09:21:43 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
- 09:21:51 [alejandra]
- Specific issues
- 09:21:52 [alejandra]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114
- 09:22:11 [SimonCox]
- regrets: SimonCox
- 09:22:26 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:22:35 [alejandra]
- The proposal by Makx is
- 09:22:37 [alejandra]
- use dct:license to refer to licences like Creative Commons use dct:rights to refer to rights statements that are not licences, such as copyright statements use odrl:hasPolicy for linking to ODRL policies
- 09:23:54 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:24:01 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 09:24:13 [alejandra]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 09:25:08 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: the use of these license and access rights is something we have illustrations of
- 09:25:28 [PWinstanley]
- ... sometimes people confuse use conditions with access conditions
- 09:25:47 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1 to me ( let's make this explicit as guidance in the document )
- 09:25:52 [alejandra]
- q?
- 09:25:56 [PWinstanley]
- ... it can be difficult to understand the different types of rights, so we need to make this clear in guidance
- 09:26:22 [alejandra]
- https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#Property:dataservice_access_rights
- 09:27:00 [PWinstanley]
- AndreaPerego: this is in addition to what Makx mentions
- 09:27:16 [PWinstanley]
- Makx: my proposal doesn't go into this detail
- 09:27:23 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- s/ +1 to me/ +1
- 09:28:10 [PWinstanley]
- alejandra: we are using dct:accessRights already
- 09:28:10 [AndreaPerego]
- About dct:accessRights: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#ID17
- 09:28:20 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- s/+1 to me/+1
- 09:29:02 [Makx]
- +1
- 09:29:02 [PWinstanley]
- proposed: accept Makx proposal on issue 114
- 09:29:06 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 09:29:06 [Makx]
- +1
- 09:29:21 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 09:29:22 [alejandra]
- +1
- 09:29:24 [Makx]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114
- 09:29:54 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 09:29:56 [Makx]
- https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114#issuecomment-424871629
- 09:30:09 [PWinstanley]
- resolved: accept Makx proposal on issue 114
- 09:31:04 [alejandra]
- action: Makx provide PR for the text of issue 114
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- 09:31:10 [PWinstanley]
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley
- 09:31:54 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- thanks bye!
- 09:31:58 [PWinstanley]
- bye
- 09:32:28 [AndreaPerego]
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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