08:27:55 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgdcat 08:27:55 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-irc 08:28:13 rrsagent: make logs public 08:29:42 Makx has joined #dxwgdcat 08:30:02 PWinstanley has joined #dxwgdcat 08:30:03 Meeting: DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04 08:30:09 Chair: alejandra 08:30:49 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04#Main_agenda 08:31:20 present+ Makx 08:31:33 present+ 08:32:12 Zakim has joined #dxwgdcat 08:32:26 rrsagent, make logs public 08:32:36 rrsagent: make logs public 08:32:51 chair: alejandra 08:32:58 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 08:32:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra 08:33:45 regrets: Alasdair Gray (ongoing), Erik Mannens (ongoing), Thomas D'Haenens (ongoing), Lars Svensson (ongoing), Dave Browning 08:33:52 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 08:33:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra 08:34:45 present+ 08:38:36 riccardoAlbertoni has joined #dxwgdcat 08:40:00 present+ 08:41:17 +q 08:41:39 q- 08:42:16 scribeNick: PWinstanley 08:42:17 scribenick: PWinstanley 08:42:22 topic: confirm agenda 08:42:24 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.10.04#Main_agenda 08:43:06 alejandra: we need to discuss the change to daylight saving times 08:43:36 q? 08:44:06 agenda confirmed 08:44:13 topic: approve minutes 08:44:15 https://www.w3.org/2018/09/27-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:44:46 https://www.w3.org/2018/09/27-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:44:48 https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:44:52 https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:44:56 from two weeks ago: https://www.w3.org/2018/09/20-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:45:12 +1 08:45:15 +1 08:45:34 0 08:45:34 0 08:45:39 resolved: minutes from two weeks ago approved 08:45:44 AndreaPerego has joined #dxwgdcat 08:45:53 present+ AndreaPerego 08:46:05 topic: open actions 08:46:07 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open 08:47:03 q+ 08:47:05 PWinstanley: my actions still ongoing as they are new use cases on rate 08:47:10 ack AndreaPerego 08:47:11 q? 08:47:44 AndreaPerego: 86 is ongoing 08:48:05 ... 134 is yet to be done 08:48:34 ... 205 is also still to be done 08:49:29 topics: comments on public list 08:49:30 topic: comments on the public list 08:49:34 no comments at the moment 08:49:40 alejandra: not aware that there are any 08:49:42 q? 08:49:57 topic: Review meeting schedule through clock changes in October 08:49:58 topic: schedule for end of october 08:50:04 s/86 is ongoing/85+86 are ongoing, as they depend on a decision from the WG about the use of properties dct:rights, dct:license, dct:accessRights/ 08:50:25 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 08:50:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 08:50:37 q? 08:50:42 alejandra: in Australia times change this weekend, and in Europe it is the end of October. There will at one point be a different of 2h to the current 08:50:50 q? 08:50:53 yes let's have a doodle.. 08:50:55 I would support restoring the original evening time. 08:50:57 ... so shall we go back to the previous winter timetable? 08:51:04 or restore the previous 08:51:06 +1 to AndreaPerego 08:51:08 +1 08:51:16 +q 08:51:22 ack riccardoAlbertoni 08:52:18 riccardoAlbertoni: we should check with the Australians to see if restoring the previous timetable suits them 08:52:52 wednesday .. 08:52:57 alejandra: we might just do a doodle poll 08:53:02 yes do doodle 08:53:23 action: alejandra to do a doodle for new date (including our previous time of Wednesdays) 08:53:23 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 08:53:31 topic: Status and comments for 2nd Public Working Draft 08:53:49 alejandra: in the plenary we discussed the status of the draft 08:53:50 I was there.. ;) 08:54:05 2nd PWD: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-2pwd-internal-review/dcat/index.html 08:54:25 ED: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/ 08:54:28 ... there is a specific branch for the 2PWD which is a different branch but up to date with the editors draft 08:54:54 ... we have followed up on Annette's comments on needing a link to all the github open issues 08:55:26 ... and a few other changes that point to open issues, such as information equivalence of distributions 08:55:39 ...We will publish even thought there are still open issues 08:55:46 Milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13 08:56:07 ... We have a couple of issues on the milestone - one PR is related to a comment from Annette 08:56:20 ... there are also some editorial changes 08:56:39 q? 08:56:40 ... but I am proposing that we just keep going with the publication schedule 08:56:44 +1 08:56:49 +1 08:56:59 +1 08:57:08 moving #353 and #320 to next milestone 08:57:25 merge PR #440 into the 2nd PWD 08:57:28 +1 08:57:30 fine 08:57:32 +1 08:57:34 +1 08:58:09 alejandra: so we are ready for the publication and will engage with Dave Ragett to get publication started tomorrow (Friday) 08:58:24 s/Ragett/Raggett/ 08:58:40 comment by Karen at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13 08:59:00 comment by Karen: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Sep/0400.html 08:59:25 https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#profiles 09:00:10 alejandra: the only addition we could make here is to point to the other doc which is work in progress 09:00:11 +1 09:00:13 +1 09:00:14 ... agreed? 09:00:17 +1 09:00:21 +1 09:00:22 +1 09:00:39 alejandra: so it will be a small editorial change done by tomorrow 09:00:44 topic: F2F4 09:00:49 q+ 09:00:55 ack AndreaPerego 09:01:22 SimonCox has joined #dxwgdcat 09:01:35 AndreaPerego: I was reviewing the draft and noticed some issues with the URLs pointing to other docs not working 09:01:45 ... so I will create a PR 09:01:54 alejandra: please do asap 09:01:55 PROF-CONNEG: https://www.w3.org/TR/conneg-by-ap/ 09:02:16 AndreaPerego: in this case we can point to the github 09:02:52 alejandra: agree. there should be no 404 links in the draft 09:03:18 action: AndreaPerego will do a PR to fix this broken link to the conneg-by-ap by pointing to the github version for now 09:03:18 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:03:27 q? 09:04:09 +q 09:04:30 ack riccardoAlbertoni 09:05:00 riccardoAlbertoni: W3C has a procedure to check links and doesn't publish if there are dead links 09:05:23 ... so use the W3C tool for page validity 09:05:30 I'll do the check with the W3C link checker. 09:05:48 q? 09:06:03 go ahead 09:06:07 topic: F2F4 09:06:20 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4 09:06:44 alejandra: please propose topics so that the agenda can be prepared 09:06:47 q? 09:07:09 topic: Work for next milestone 09:07:25 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14 09:08:15 data quality #58 is already assigned to me ;) 09:08:36 q+ 09:08:42 ack Makx 09:09:05 makx: I'd like to look at our planning - we should be ready by the end of this year. planning is Q2 2019 09:09:12 q+ 09:09:18 ack PWinstanley 09:10:14 PWinstanley: original charter closes in early 2019 09:10:26 ... so we should be getting things ready for final publication by Q1 2019 09:10:39 Makx: so are we talking about a 3rd PWD or directly a final draft? 09:10:49 PWinstanley: first day of the F2F will be discussing this 09:11:04 Makx: worried about the publication within the WG and exposure outside it 09:11:13 PWinstanley: accepted - we should push as much as we can 09:11:27 ... I've been getting significant progress with Japan 09:11:40 ... I'm hoping to get feedback from them 09:11:53 ... other engagement I've got is with someone in South Africa 09:11:58 ... engamenet with wider global community 09:12:05 ... it's something we need to be doing all the time 09:13:27 q? 09:13:38 q+ 09:13:40 I tend to agree with Makx. I also have the impression that people are waiting for a more consolidated spec. 09:13:52 q+ 09:14:20 ack alejandra 09:14:36 alejandra: I agree with Makx . My main concern now is internal participation 09:14:48 ack AndreaPerego 09:14:55 ... I f people are waiting for a more consolidated spec we need engagement 09:15:13 q+ 09:15:32 AndreaPerego: I keep on promoting the DXWG work within JRC and don't get much feedback. Simon is doing the same. 09:16:04 ... I also try to make it clear that although the first version was addressing government data, the second is more in line with scientific data 09:16:08 q+ to say that we need also to think about implementations 09:16:09 ack Makx 09:16:11 ... I will keep on advertising 09:17:04 q+ 09:17:12 Makx: that is something we need to work on at the F2F. we should drop new stuff and move quickly to a stable document, because people are probably waiting until we have a solid deliverable before they comment 09:17:24 q? 09:17:35 ... we should pick out only the requirements that are really necessary and complete the work 09:17:45 +1 to Makx 09:18:13 ack riccardoAlbertoni 09:18:13 riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say that we need also to think about implementations 09:18:15 alejandra: we need to have the view of WG participants to decide when to stop 09:18:45 riccardoAlbertoni: we should see what implementations people in the group can make 09:19:00 ... implementation takes time 09:19:18 ... we cannot rely on people outside the group 09:19:22 q? 09:19:32 ack AndreaPerego 09:20:05 AndreaPerego: I can take on board some of the pieces that will be relevant for geospatial and scientific data, but i cannot deliver a full implementation 09:20:36 q? 09:20:36 ... I agree with Makx and riccardoAlbertoni - we need a final version. we need to ensure that all that is recommended is supported by implementations 09:21:07 ... we should look for things that are already implemented but described in DCAT-AP already 'out there' 09:21:30 q? 09:21:41 ... if we know that things are already implemented according to existing profiles we don't need to do more 09:21:43 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 09:21:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 09:21:51 Specific issues 09:21:52 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114 09:22:11 regrets: SimonCox 09:22:26 q? 09:22:35 The proposal by Makx is 09:22:37 use dct:license to refer to licences like Creative Commons use dct:rights to refer to rights statements that are not licences, such as copyright statements use odrl:hasPolicy for linking to ODRL policies 09:23:54 q? 09:24:01 q+ 09:24:13 ack AndreaPerego 09:25:08 AndreaPerego: the use of these license and access rights is something we have illustrations of 09:25:28 ... sometimes people confuse use conditions with access conditions 09:25:47 +1 to me ( let's make this explicit as guidance in the document ) 09:25:52 q? 09:25:56 ... it can be difficult to understand the different types of rights, so we need to make this clear in guidance 09:26:22 https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#Property:dataservice_access_rights 09:27:00 AndreaPerego: this is in addition to what Makx mentions 09:27:16 Makx: my proposal doesn't go into this detail 09:27:23 s/ +1 to me/ +1 09:28:10 alejandra: we are using dct:accessRights already 09:28:10 About dct:accessRights: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#ID17 09:28:20 s/+1 to me/+1 09:29:02 +1 09:29:02 proposed: accept Makx proposal on issue 114 09:29:06 +1 09:29:06 +1 09:29:21 +1 09:29:22 +1 09:29:24 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114 09:29:54 +1 09:29:56 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114#issuecomment-424871629 09:30:09 resolved: accept Makx proposal on issue 114 09:31:04 action: Makx provide PR for the text of issue 114 09:31:04 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:31:10 rrsagent, create minutes v2 09:31:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley 09:31:54 thanks bye! 09:31:58 bye 09:32:28 s/rrsagent: make logs public// 09:32:29 s/rrsagent: make logs public// 09:32:32 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 09:32:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 12:14:10 Zakim has left #dxwgdcat