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Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference

16 Aug 2018

Summary

The group first took a look at the iconography and other updates to the current Business Case and open issues. First was a consideration of how to improve the International Perspective. Editor will work in Eric's suggestions and look at iconography. Next we considered whether to expand/collapse the reference section. Some would prefer it, editor resists adding expand collapse complexity to a relatively straightforward page. Editor will consider and offer other options. A look at the graphics engendered mostly positive response. Editor thanked the group for input and requested continued review and GitHUb comments. Shawn then reported on conversation with David Sloan and Mary Zeigler who attended the EO planning meeting on Wednesday to report on progress with their Accessible Online Learning Community Group - AccessLearn. Shawn reported that they are seeking more EO input and are making a requirements doc for EO consideration and approval. Next was a check-in for the Thursday evening(US)/Friday morning (Australia) meeting time and how it was working out. General attitude seems to be that people will get in the groove of the time if meetings are actually held more often and not cancelled. Shawn reminded the group that projects are starting to mature and to expect regular review requests and fewer cancelled meetings coming up. Brent reviewed the process for UnDoc edits by the small group and encouraged those who participate to stay on track and anyone else interested to sign on and help. Wrapped up with reminders of availability surveys and work for this week. Thanks all!

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Shawn, Sharron, Brent, Lewis, Robert, Howard, Andrew
Regrets
Denis, Eric, Shadi, Vicki, Stephan, Laura, Chris, KrisAnne
Chair
Brent
Scribe
Shawn, Sharron

Contents


Business Case

Sharron: Has everyone read the most recent version?

<Brent> I have read it

<Howard> I have.

<Sharron> https://github.com/w3c/wai-bcase/issues

Sharron: A few people who raised issues are not on the call, so maybe cannot finalize desicions but welcome the dicussion.

https://github.com/w3c/wai-bcase/issues/39 - Conclusion

Sharron: Using GitHub input - thank yu all for that - it has been significantly edited. Any objections to changes or suggestions of how to further tighten it up?

<Howard> Rewrite looks good.

Robert: looks great to me. I might only suggest starting a new paragraph at "More than one billion people..."

<Brent> +1 to Robert

<Andrew> suggest "your business will reach this market " > "your organisation will reach this market "?

<Sharron> "full participants" is awkward

Brent: I agree that full participants here kind of obscures the meaning, disrupts the flow

Andrew: participate in civil society

SR: That's what I had in mind

BB: "full" is what threw me
... what mean by that? "fully participate"?

I haven't been able to get my head around this style for an EOWG publication. So I'm not able to help with wording. Sorry.

SR: Participants it is

AA: reference to 1 billion referenced earlier?

SR: Yes

HK: add adjective before participant. employee? social?

SR: "civic" good - andrew said earlier

<rjolly> civic but will leave to editor's discretion

<Howard> civic - relating to the duties or activities of people in relation to their town, city, or local area.

BB: hesitate with "civil" because of other mean ("you're being civil")

<Howard> civil - elating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.

<rjolly> ooh. social and civic - i like that from Sharron

<Brent> +1

AA: "Civil society" is common in OZ

<Lewis_P> +1

International Perspective

https://github.com/w3c/wai-bcase/issues/35

SR: I have heard that we tend to be focused on english-speaking & US centric. In legal section, much of the activity has been in US. However, also other sections show a limited perspective. Keep this in mind as we work on it. It's important to figure out before we publish.

SLH: Vivienne recently did work in Qatar. Contact her to see if they have info to share -- not necessarily for legal section, but other sections on what motivates them to address accessibility and invest all that they have in it

[ Wait for Vicki for 31, 32, 33 - maybe in next Friday telecon &/or in GitHub]

Reference

SR: Like how they are formattted? What would we want differently?

https://github.com/w3c/wai-bcase/issues/30

<Andrew> +1 to not including URI except when printed

SR: accessed date was a note to myself, didn't mean to leave it in there.

Graphics

... have not yet been successful with collage as suggested by Howard, have placed some icons and a banner - how does it sit with folks?

<Andrew> graphics definitely enhance page - ones used seem appropriate

<rjolly> https://w3c.github.io/wai-bcase/teach-advocate/business-case/

<rjolly> I love the graphics. They match the site's style and add some visual interest to break up the text nicely. The pullquote style is very attractive to me.

HK: Not quite what I was thinking of. Like the call out quotes. Generally helps. Makes it more engaging.

<rjolly> I would ask for some additional whitespace between the graphics and the text (like Minimize Legal Risk) where it seems very close together.

HK: Initial reaction = clever

SR: e.g., innovation is robot in a rocketship. eric thought playful. I thought it may a bit like like elementary school.
... Is that appropriatefor this business case?

<Andrew> playfulness doesn't cause me problems (said having just seen today)

SR: [describes legal image] Is that too complex?

<Lewis_P> I like the scale and the bar chart. I'm not as sure about the DNA and rocket images

AA: Fit in nicely -- but just now seeing - would like to sit a few days before decide.

<Howard> I don't think it's too complex.

RJ: Also just seeing for the first time today. Great. Think they do not take away from the messaging. The way it uses headings, quotes, stories pulls you through and references make it stand out. Think graphics draw your eye to the message.
... and coloring matches the site.

<Howard> I really like the citations. So often we see statistics with no references. This gives credibility to the argument.

RJ: Think we can do some with the text spacing and wrapping around items.

SR: Volunteer and Eric worked together a lot.

RJ: SVGs! even better.
... can change color scheme if want later.

<Zakim> Andrew, you wanted to mention graphics vs refs

AA: Supported by having the references and the graphics make it less serious. Nice.

BB: One that gets me a bit -- 'cause positioning of pull quote -- is the innovation one.
... [describes positioning of the others] rocket too far down and pushes it away from innovation
... to be honest - not want to pick on graphics - I like the concepts - the scale could be more to look like actual scale so people could recognze it faster. rocket ship - worry about robot in there. maybe fine. top banner graphic, like concept; however graphics of people seem too elementary rather than middle school or high school.

Love the concept, but seems very Robloxy and mine-crafty [kids video games]. Executives coming to this, seems a disconnect

<rjolly> alt is empty on those

<Andrew> graphic is decorative predominantly

SR: bothered that we are using the same icon for 2 things

<Andrew> globe may be a more useful image for market reach?

[ Shawn agree with concern about text size and alt text in image]

Online Learning - AccessLearn

Brent: The chairs of AccessLearn Community Group would like to work more closely with EOWG

Shawn: David Sloan and Mary Zeigler are co-chairs who started a community group AccessLearn, gathered interested folk, done gap analysis, prioritized tasks. have come to EO to gauge interest, see what questions there are, and see if we want to engage.
... they propose a portal page within WAI resources dedicated to those with an interest in online learning. They would then like to integrate the materials they develop into WAI/EO resources
... Chairs have asked them for a requirements document, coming soon. Before they go much further we want EO to understand that while Mary and David will be the lead editors, it would be a new set of resource development and would be part of the EO work products. Questions and comments from you?

Andrew: Any working group that wants to add to our production should be encouraged, I would say yes.

Howard: I think it looks like it has potential. Like levaraging existing resources and adding to those. Different approach to online learning, will they be following the CAST or other model for Universal Design for Learning?

Sharron:They are not addessing specific course content itself. Instead the mechanisms for putting content online. e.g., LMS. Trying to give content providers tools for alt text, keyboard access, etc. -- more than the design of the curriculum

Howard: Thant makes sense that it is more from a web accessibility perspective

Shawn: No conflict with what you are doing, Howard. The goodle doc that they have is a good synopsis of where they have been and where they are going and you are welcome to look. It is a lot of information however and we thing the requirmeents document may be a good summary. We do want that requirements doc to clarify questions like this.

Howard: This is a good addition to WAI resources. it is not really addressed here at that time and so I think it would be a good place for this to be.

Lewis: I can see no reason why we would not want it - is there a reason we would *not* want to do this?

<Howard> I don't think it dilutes our focus or scope.

Lewis: encouraging more people to contribute seems like a good idea.

<shawn> Sharron: Just a matter for EO bandwidth

Robert: I am of the same mind. There is the question of EO bandwidth but they are bringing their own editors and it seems like such a good topic for us to feature.

Brent: They are going to drive the production so that is good. Do we add this to a survey?

Sharron: yes, especially once we have the requirements doc.

<Andrew> +1 to including on survey - after reqs doc prepared

<Lewis_P> +1

<Howard> +1

Sharron: When will the reqs be published?

Shawn: Likely to be several weeks
... maybe we say right here "if you have questions or concerns now feel free to speak up. If you want to wait for the requirements doc we will be sure to clearly announce when that is ready for review and comment."

Thursday evening/Friday morning meeting time

Brent: Wanted to gather some feedback about how the schedule is working. The intent was to increase participation from the pacific region. An issue has been the completion of the web site and things in the pipeline have worked out to result in canceled Pacific meetings. Were hoping for higher participation today among the Australia participants - but since Andrew you are here, can you comment, is the communication about what is going on OK, do you feel sufficently connected? How might we improve and increase engagement of those who are nominally part of EO?

Andrew: It works well, gives flexibility. The cancellations have been a bit problematic. Time works nnot quite as well for the other side of the country, it is quite early for them.
... most importantly is not to cancel too many of this time slot so that people participate at least once a month. Maybe even consdier a delay of a week to allow this group to remain engaged.

Brent: Yes I agree that if too many are cancelled people will become disengaged. Hear that loud and clear, have struggled in the planning meetings as well.

Shawn: agree and reminder that when editors are in Europe, then one meeting time does not work for them

<rjolly> No feedback other than what Andrew mentioned. Try to keep Thurs/Fri meetings balanced as much as possible.

<Howard> I would agree. It's nice not to have it 6:30 am MT every Friday.

Lewis: I agree that at least once a month we have to keep the meeting schedule for all participants, especially for new participants.

Shawn: We are in an unusually slow time for teleconferences. In the past we almost never cancelled meetings. As we have more editors working on more things, we will have more prduction, more work, and more meetings. So that is likely to change in the coming months.

Lewis: Good to know, thank you

Brent: One of the reasons for the rotation meeting times was to encourage broader participation out side the US. Want to think about how to increase outreach to other parts of the world. We will be discussion this at the face to face, seeking participation from people in other parts of the world. Any ideas?
... what kind of expertise do we need and how to encourage participation?

Shawn: One of the things that dawned on me was that we may want to consider talking about what we do not as participation but as contribution. Reviewing documents and commenting is what we need from people - contributions.
...focus more on "contributing" rather than "EOWG participation" (and potential IEs need to contribute first anyway)
... can do that in many ways, GitHUb, etc

Wrap-up

Brent: Please check for updates to work for this week. There is background work ongoing for the Understanding docs, the Business case and the Accessibility Statements. Follow along and if there are any other comments or announcements.

Sharron news

Sharron: AIR-University is ongoing and will be only university students.

<shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Outreach

Brent: OK thanks everyone, have a good weekend.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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