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<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips
action-658?
<trackbot> action-658 -- Richard Ishida to Look for latin text with dot or macron below that could cause problems for underline -- due 2017-10-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/658
richard: done, here's a link
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288#issuecomment-337883369
close action-658
<trackbot> Closed action-658.
richard: one of the things I
needed was way to find which languages use dot-below
... didn't find a way to query
... apart from decode unicode
addison: look at cldr?
richard: don't have a way to
query by character
... might bake something of my own
action-662?
<trackbot> action-662 -- Addison Phillips to Review dnt and sent an all-clear status to that wg unless something found -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/662
close action-662
<trackbot> Closed action-662.
action-665?
<trackbot> action-665 -- Richard Ishida to Get behnam to forward 497 to the utr53 pri -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/665
close action-665
<trackbot> Closed action-665.
richard: he forwarded everything, not just the one
action-666?
<trackbot> action-666 -- Addison Phillips to Talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/666
addison: talked to Mark Davis, suggestion of CLDR-TC
close action-666
<trackbot> Closed action-666.
action-668?
<trackbot> action-668 -- Richard Ishida to Set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/668
richard: suggested we just do
member- email instead
... assuming that works
close action-668
<trackbot> Closed action-668.
bert: one suggestion for that is
there may be others who have similar questions or
problems
... maybe ask other groups
... see if they have ideas
addison: ask generally? like on chairs?
<scribe> ACTION: addison to ping various chairs or the chairs list for ideas on engaging [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-669 - Ping various chairs or the chairs list for ideas on engaging [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-26].
<scribe> ACTION: addison to remind members to send ideas about how to find experts to member list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-670 - Remind members to send ideas about how to find experts to member list [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-26].
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
addison: having a hard time finding the matrix
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#tracking-dnt
richard: discovered we had
issues, no reply to them on their mailing list
... second thing was that people started answering the
questions/discussion in *our* tracker
... rather than on their list
... so removed 'pending' labels
... and created on their list
addison: are they tracked there?
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/508
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/509
richard: dsinger's suggestion
goes back to string-meta
... requires every string to start with a tag
addison: have to parse every string to find out the language
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/510
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/34
richard: looked at latest version of spec
potential for close?
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35
close (same as 508)
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/36
addison: I no longer thing this issue is a good one
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/37
editorial
close
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/38
addison: intended to be an ID that is not intended to be human readable
jck: non-ascii identifiers add to confusion or danger
The status-id has been intentionally limited to a small set of characters to encourage use of short tokens instead of potentially long, human-readable strings.
jck: could let go
addison: think we should let go
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/39
addison: 7.4.2 needs same health warning about status-id?
bert: links to previous section
addison: kill or keep?
bert: kill
richard: if it is saying that
they are just status id's then things are okay
... not a general URI
addison: location is not arbitrary
bert: can send a redirect
addison: but that could be any URI
richard: close them all
then
... worth asking them why these comments went unanswered for
years
bert: could be contacts
changed?
... can ask
richard: curious how fell through cracks
<scribe> ACTION: richard to close all dnt issues that need close [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-671 - Close all dnt issues that need close [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-26].
richard: how should I deal with
charmod?
... went through and spent more time doing editorial
improvements
... raised issues
... part of me wondered fi to raise issues
... versus PR
... so how to proceed
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Alow-vision-needs
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#low-vision-needs
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/500
richard: very similar to wcag
review I performed recently
... text is very close
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#wcag
richard: here's a link to
those:
... low vision doc is just requirements
... wcag doc says "in context of content dev for use, this is
how reqs translate"
... raised a number of questions that also apply to low vision
doc
... haven't cross-ref
bert: make links?
richard: but carefully
... wcag->low vision maybe more than vice versa
... use in wcag is more targetted
... "languages that use left-to-right scripts"
accept
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/501
addison: writing mode problem?
richard: look at terse
statements, speaking from memory
... how to express those concepts
... think they took advice
... just examples
<r12a> User Need - Rewrap:
<r12a> Blocks of text rewrap so that only one direction of scrolling is needed, e.g., for left-right and right-left scripts (languages), usually vertical scrolling and not horizontal scrolling.
okay
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/502
richard: back on 501, consider
this on vertical too
... 502, don't know, think interesting question
... small forms for syllables for kya and such
... forms for dealing with small letters, soetimes prevent from
happening at start of line
... maybe consider
... lot of complex scripts are based on syllables
... so maybe not so bad?
andrew: grapheme clusters within a syllable
richard: didn't say grapheme clusters because of that problem
andrew: some browsers break on clusters
richard: keep syllables
together
... could prevent mid-word breaks
bert: two parts of word not next to each other
richard: not hyph, but breaking
words in our view
... don't know offhand how that applies but quote possible it
does
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/503
seems valid
richard: maybe phrasing
... bold isn't easy to read because harder to read
addison: or italics!
richard: doesn't talk about
emphasis but rather styling
... underline definitely preferred
... in certain scripts
... need to say "allow users to change bold/italic/underline to
culturally preferred idioms"
... to make easier to read
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/511
richard: worried they linked
there
... not aware of our articles
... ?
addison: will work on encoding tomorrow
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