<lisa> agenda: this

<Thaddeus> + present thaddeus

<scribe> scribe: janina

<lisa> scribe: janina

updates: TPAC,

<AndyHeath> present_

<clapierre> Tuesday 11-noon (css)

<clapierre> web platform 2-3 editing

cl: Asking informal Wednesday after hours mtg?

ls: As available

cl: Benetech expecting to host an event
... Probably Thursday evening

js: Noting the wcag excursion to meet with Bay Area Accessibility

cl: May need a different evening, then!
... Also need to coordinate with Joanie for ARIA joint mtg time

Thaddeus intro ...

<thaddeus> +present

what to downgrade in the speck (survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results)

cl: Notes first time I created a wbs -- have 30 questions ...

[discussion about extending the survey]

ls: We agreed on basic "low priority" language last week
... Q on what that might apply to
... Also looking for info on implementations
... Important would mean that we would push for implementations
... Asking the call whether anyone is confused?

ah: Was daunted by the size
... Do these map to WCAG SC eventually?
... e.g. simplification
... Recalling my experience with Drupal trying to establish this

ls: That's an important question we need to clarify
... I won't say it doesn't matter, but it is independent of this spec
... Most does map, imo
... How they map is an AGWG concern

ah: Believe there's lots for WCAG
... multiple implementation scenarios in multiple techs

ls: But we don't need to concern with that here, in this group

<AndyHeath> ack

cl: Are you thinking it would all go AAA in WCAG?

ls: NO. Some AA
... Common controls might be AA

cl: Is this stated in the doc?

ls: In the wiki, but doesn't belong in the spec

jw: Whatever we take to TR needs to be carefully and well defined
... e.g. misusing metadata can be harmful
... Believe there's considerable opportunity here for misuse
... In favor of rigorously chosen small set of implementable metadata properties

cl: Note we have 15 proposed items
... Believe we need examples of how this looks in the real world
... Concerned that we're taking on too much
... Saying yes to everything means we won't get it done
... We need to choose what will get done. Remainder can come in later rev

ls: We're not at the stage where we need to toss something that's not clear. That can come later.
... Prefer to see what people will implement first

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say need to set and keep to a timeline and useful spec - make decisions that support that

mc: I'm OK with keeping things for now, but we also need to set and meet a timeline
... Simple and useful would be an important goal

<lisa> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics

ls: Reason I want to maintain a table on wiki is for the reason that we could more readily update

<thaddeus> +1 for the table idea

cl: Believe lists are easier for most

js: List easier for mwa

<AndyHeath> +1 for list

<thaddeus> anything that is actionable and updateable

<thaddeus> +1 list is fine

cl: Meanwhile, we still have the survey ...
... Myself, I deprioritized logs only, because of the taxonomic complexity

ls: Well, I drafted, so it's there because i thought it was important
... Anyone can answer the WBS?

cl: No, internal only

ls: In favor of open
... To get implementers to +1

mc: If we have reason to make a public survey, OK, but not as a general rule

ls: It's about gathering information

<Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask Lisa about logs

js: Asks about logs

ls: Bread crumbs, different representations
... Have it only if you want it

cl: Maybe "logs" not the best handle

ah: Bread crumbs is an implementation technique
... We're missing a user model of needs

<lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html

<lisa> i need a concret example of what is missing andy so I know what you think is missing

ls: Need concrete example of what's missing

ah; There's lots. Will do off line

cl: next call, next Monday!
... Please respond on survey

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