IRC log of personalization on 2017-10-16

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14:41:11 [lisa]
rrsagent, make logs public
16:33:39 [lisa]
agenda: this
16:33:40 [lisa]
agenda+ updates: TPAC,
16:33:42 [lisa]
agenda+ what to downgrade in the speck (survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results)
16:33:43 [lisa]
agenda+ Specification as a vocablory - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/
16:51:42 [Roy]
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16:59:12 [lisa]
present+
17:00:27 [janina]
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17:00:41 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
17:00:41 [Zakim]
Present: lisa
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On IRC I see janina, Roy, RRSAgent, Zakim, lisa, MichaelC, jasonjgw
17:00:46 [clapierre]
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17:00:54 [janina]
present+
17:01:00 [clapierre]
present+
17:01:07 [jasonjgw]
present+
17:01:22 [Roy]
present+
17:01:49 [AndyHeath]
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17:01:54 [Thaddeus]
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+ present thaddeus
17:04:50 [janina]
scribe: janina
17:04:51 [lisa]
scribe: janina
17:05:07 [lisa]
present+
17:05:26 [lisa]
zakim, next item
17:05:26 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "updates: TPAC," taken up [from lisa]
17:05:33 [AndyHeath]
present_
17:05:40 [AndyHeath]
present+
17:06:34 [janina]
chair: clapierre
17:08:53 [clapierre]
Tuesday 11-noon (css)
17:08:53 [clapierre]
web platform 2-3 editing
17:09:28 [janina]
cl: Asking informal Wednesday after hours mtg?
17:09:35 [janina]
ls: As available
17:09:58 [janina]
cl: Benetech expecting to host an event
17:10:11 [janina]
cl: Probably Thursday evening
17:12:39 [janina]
js: Noting the wcag excursion to meet with Bay Area Accessibility
17:12:51 [janina]
cl: May need a different evening, then!
17:13:20 [janina]
cl: Also need to coordinate with Joanie for ARIA joint mtg time
17:14:06 [thaddeus]
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17:14:37 [janina]
Thaddeus intro ...
17:14:52 [clapierre]
zakim, agenda?
17:14:52 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
17:14:53 [Zakim]
1. updates: TPAC, [from lisa]
17:14:53 [Zakim]
2. what to downgrade in the speck (survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results) [from lisa]
17:14:53 [Zakim]
3. Specification as a vocablory - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/ [from lisa]
17:14:59 [thaddeus]
+present
17:15:12 [clapierre]
q?
17:16:31 [lisa]
zakim, next item
17:16:31 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "what to downgrade in the speck (survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results)" taken up [from lisa]
17:16:59 [lisa]
q+
17:17:48 [janina]
cl: Notes first time I created a wbs -- have 30 questions ...
17:18:19 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:19:00 [janina]
[discussion about extending the survey]
17:19:53 [janina]
ls: We agreed on basic "low priority" language last week
17:20:06 [janina]
ls: Q on what that might apply to
17:20:19 [janina]
ls: Also looking for info on implementations
17:21:06 [janina]
ls: Important would mean that we would push for implementations
17:21:40 [janina]
ls: Asking the call whether anyone is confused?
17:21:41 [lisa]
ack l
17:22:00 [janina]
ah: Was daunted by the size
17:22:28 [janina]
ah: Do these map to WCAG SC eventually?
17:22:52 [janina]
ah: e.g. simplification
17:23:15 [lisa]
q+
17:23:22 [janina]
ah: Recalling my experience with Drupal trying to establish this
17:23:41 [janina]
ls: That's an important question we need to clarify
17:23:49 [clapierre]
ack Andy
17:23:54 [janina]
ls: I won't say it doesn't matter, but it is independent of this spec
17:24:35 [janina]
ls: Most does map, imo
17:24:38 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:25:28 [janina]
ls: How they map is an AGWG issue
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s/issue/concern/
17:27:23 [janina]
ah: Believe there's lots for WCAG
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ah: multiple implementation scenarios in multiple techs
17:28:19 [janina]
ls: But we don't need to concern with that here, in this group
17:28:22 [lisa]
ack l
17:28:23 [AndyHeath]
ack
17:28:38 [AndyHeath]
q-
17:29:22 [janina]
cl: Are you thinking it would all go AAA in WCAG?
17:29:26 [janina]
ls: NO. Some AA
17:29:58 [jasonjgw]
q+
17:30:03 [janina]
ls: Common controls might be AA
17:30:24 [janina]
cl: Is this stated in the doc?
17:30:32 [janina]
ls: In the wiki, but doesn't belong in the spec
17:30:36 [clapierre]
q?
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ack jas
17:31:32 [janina]
jw: Whatever we take to TR needs to be carefully and well defined
17:31:54 [janina]
jw: e.g. misusing metadata can be harmful
17:32:59 [janina]
jw: Believe there's considerable opportunity here for misuse
17:34:01 [janina]
jw: In favor of rigorously chosen small set of implementable metadata properties
17:34:02 [lisa]
q+
17:34:21 [janina]
cl: Note we have 15 proposed items
17:34:36 [janina]
cl: Believe we need examples of how this looks in the real world
17:34:56 [janina]
cl: Concerned that we're taking on too much
17:35:10 [janina]
cl: Saying yes to everything means we won't get it done
17:35:31 [janina]
cl: We need to choose what will get done. Remainder can come in later rev
17:36:10 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:36:24 [janina]
ls: We're not at the stage where we need to toss something that's not clear. That can come later.
17:37:19 [clapierre]
ack lisa
17:37:29 [janina]
ls: Prefer to see what people will implement first
17:37:43 [MichaelC]
q+ to say need to set and keep to a timeline and useful spec - make decisions that support that
17:37:53 [AndyHeath]
q-
17:38:07 [clapierre]
ack MichaelC
17:38:07 [Zakim]
MichaelC, you wanted to say need to set and keep to a timeline and useful spec - make decisions that support that
17:38:20 [janina]
mc: I'm OK with keeping things for now, but we also need to set and meet a timeline
17:38:45 [janina]
mc: Simple and useful would be an important goal
17:40:02 [lisa]
https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics
17:40:29 [janina]
ls: Reason I want to maintain a table on wiki is for the reason that we could more readily update
17:40:39 [thaddeus]
+1 for the table idea
17:41:47 [janina]
cl: Believe lists are easier for most
17:41:54 [janina]
js: List easier for mwa
17:42:32 [AndyHeath]
+1 for list
17:42:50 [thaddeus]
anything that is actionable and updateable
17:42:58 [thaddeus]
+1 list is fine
17:43:32 [janina]
cl: Meanwhile, we still have the survey ...
17:44:21 [janina]
cl: Myself, I deprioritized logs only, because of the taxonomic complexity
17:44:42 [janina]
ls: Well, I drafted, so it's there because i thought it was important
17:44:49 [janina]
q+ To ask Lisa about logs
17:45:27 [janina]
ls: Anyone can answer the WBS?
17:45:33 [janina]
cl: No, internal only
17:45:50 [janina]
ls: In favor of open
17:46:12 [janina]
ls: To get implementers to +1
17:47:30 [janina]
mc: If we have reason to make a public survey, OK, but not as a general rule
17:49:35 [janina]
ls: It's about gathering information
17:49:57 [clapierre]
q?
17:50:15 [clapierre]
ack janina
17:50:15 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to ask Lisa about logs
17:53:18 [janina]
js: Asks about logs
17:53:27 [janina]
ls: Bread crumbs, different representations
17:56:17 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:56:51 [janina]
ls: Have it only if you want it
17:57:38 [janina]
ack ja
17:58:09 [janina]
cl: Maybe "logs" not the best handle
17:58:17 [clapierre]
ack andy
17:58:26 [janina]
ah: Bread crumbs is an implementation technique
17:58:49 [janina]
ah: We're missing a user model of needs
17:58:56 [lisa]
q+
17:59:30 [lisa]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
18:01:31 [lisa]
i need a concret example of what is missing andy so I know what you think is missing
18:01:53 [janina]
ls: Need concrete example of what's missing
18:02:00 [janina]
ah; There's lots. Will do off line
18:02:08 [janina]
cl: next call, next Monday!
18:02:17 [janina]
cl: Please respond on survey
18:02:49 [janina]
zakim, bye
18:02:49 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been lisa, janina, clapierre, jasonjgw, Roy, AndyHeath, present
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18:02:58 [janina]
rrsagent, make minutes
18:02:58 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/16-personalization-minutes.html janina
18:03:08 [janina]
rrsagent, bye
18:03:08 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items