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Hour long meeting today! then AG call
<scott> hello hello?
<alastairc> Something for discussion soon, perhaps not today: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/335#issuecomment-334468667
<alastairc> Regarding zoom content.
<scribe> scribe: allanj
Something for discussion soon, perhaps not today: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/335#issuecomment-334468667
For content with horizontal lines of text, content can be zoomed up to 400% from a starting width of 1280 CSS pixels without loss of content or functionality, and without requiring horizontal scrolling to read horizontal lines of text.
For content with vertical lines of text, content can be zoomed up to 300% from a starting height of 960 CSS pixels without loss of content or functionality, and without requiring vertical scrolling to read vertical lines of text.
Parts of the content that require two-dimensional layout for usage or meaning are excepted.
<JohnRochford> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/335#issuecomment-334468667
ac: this text seems to cover all
possible cases
... it is longer. covers the cases, prevents what we don't
want, allows what we do want.
<alastairc> https://www.chenhuijing.com/zh-type/
sr: the vertical part. browser reflow horizontally regardless of the text directions
ac: horizontal reflow is new to
browsers.
... there are small blocks that will fail depending on text
direction.
... focusing on blocks of content rather than page level.
... need to mull this a bit.
jr: pixel definition absolute to viewport size?
ac: pixels are relative to device by definition. should be consistent
sr: will this be a testing issue... always have to start at 1280 pixels
ac: desktop browsers only current
ones that zoom with reflow. it eliminates pinch zoom.
... could add testing criteria
No testing in Understanding document
ac: join in on GitHub
jim mine https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/77 for content for Understanding
<scott> woot woot
essential vs important vs necessary wording
please review: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/essential_breakout/
ac: perhaps remove second part of def.
sr: first part is subjective. second part is essential and hard to meet
ac: as site owner... if you took X away ... does it matter. as a definition
ja: perhaps a rule or protocol
sr: essential - effects many lvtf
SC. 11 times in 2.1 SC.
... glossary def doesn't match what is meant in SC
... lvtf uses it in Graphic Contrast and others.
... proposed use necessary or required for understanding.
synonym replacement.
... UI contrast, Adapting Text, all use essential.
... what loss is acceptable?
... hover - essential content in trigger - white space, part of
background. added pure decoration
ac: UI contrast. ... if you have a visual identifier, if you add essential then you need to define essential visual identifier.
sr: produce examples on both sides of the word.
jr: voted yes for suggested changes in essential breakout
need Written techniques for
-include labels and values with the graphic
-contrasting differentiated pattern
-include contrasting lines between adjoining colors.
-include data within graphic (red piece of pie chart - white circle within red piece - 37% written in white circle)
would be interesting to use the same graphic and apply different techniques to make contrast accessible
sr: agree with Laura. Make the graphic visible by improving contast. not just applying text contrast to graphics.
<JohnRochford> I too agree with Laura.
ac: will be adding more examples, strengthening first intent para.
jim will post related materials for graphics.
add to agenda - Hover Understanding review
add to agenda reviewing comments
and suggest to AG to close
with explanation
Trackbot, end meeting
rrsagne, please leave
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