<lisa> agenda

<lisa> scribe: kirkwood

Comments on the Education and outreach document

<lisa> topics: updates

updates

LS: next two Thursdays can’t be on phone
... next two weeks cant be on phone. can have working sessions on the phone
... carrying on work on list and on google docs. can have working calls in between
... carry on with action items, keep moving forward considering holidays
... know have taken up ones, do we want to schedule a working call?

Andy: working on it

Jan: trying to get it done, open to having a working session

Andy: session did last week, Jan was very useful

Jan: I can do next Thursday

Andy: its very useful

LS: next week we will have a working session. Please look at the example of what we have done in WCAG techniques
... next week same time hour set asid whoever wnats to be on webex

Jan: it was helpful to have Michael there as well

LS: Michael cant be there maybe Alistair

Other WCAG updates and support - such as implementations and dissemination

LS: if anyone wants more time next week reach out
... the other WCAG related item. spoke to person. did anyone else able to manage to reach out to other groups

Jan: reached out to advocacy person

LS: the lists or useful

<Jan> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/

LS: if anything needs to be higher or is missing comment

<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything

LS: puropos control 1.3.4 check list definitions

<lisa> anything that is moissing or should be AA instid of AAA

LS: that is useful anything missing or AA rather than AAA is the kind of feedback needed
... based on comments from outside
... could get upgrade if enough want it
... Jan: can we go through all of them in and would be
... 1.3.4 purpose control
... going to get feedback its too long
... we’ve got a list called common controls
... not only get in but get review as well, we know that people going to say its too long
... even if things don’t get in, it will help things to get in

<lisa> 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing

<lisa> 1.3.5 Contextual Information

<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication

<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)

<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts

Jan: 1.3.4 and what is the next one

LS: these links are the five

<lisa> should AAA be AA

LS: most are AA

<lisa> what have we missed out

LS: should they be AA or single A
... what have me missed out
... another thing is examples of people doing them
... if there are ptople implementing that goes a long way
... is there any way you could see them being implemented on a site

Jan: i think so

Andy: authetification, interuptions and time outs

The roadmap - making inclusive content - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#

<Pietro> Present*

LS: as well as purpose contol, whatever we can get in

Andy: some times in real world they are, andy found a timeout
... found one thought handled well
... came and notified me in a use case, when come across sampes i will report them

LS: think we’ve come across a few

<Pietro> Hello!

LS: asking petro such as purpose control
... want to find places in real world where implemented

<lisa> 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing

<lisa> 1.3.5 Contextual Information

<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication

<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)

<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts

LS: shows doable and in use
... we were asking people to look at SC in draft and comment what is missing

<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/

<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything

LS: if unhappy things aren’t there now is the time

<Pietro> I added some comments on issue paper

<Pietro> "Conversational interfaces and voice systems"

LS: comment on clasification AA versus AAA if you can think of anyone put them in touch

<Pietro> I have some comments for persona too

<lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit

LS: comments are helpful Pietro
... we were talking about draft as per link
... if you want draft emal to send out I can write
... building your COGA friendly content and applications
... this is what interested now, as soon as we get it out people can start using
... we have structure lets start adding content
... user needs Andy has that action

<Pietro> I need draft email to send out

<lisa> ok

LS: Petro did you want to add something too on the personas?

<Pietro> About persona, they write right things with wrong words

<lisa> ACTION: lisa to send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].

LS: will send Pietro a darft email

I would like it too, Lisa

<lisa> great

Jan: do we have anything, would like to see an example of what you would need for a peronas, what i have is kind of long
... will send it to Lisa

<Pietro> I can explain by email comments about persona rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/

LS: needs to be a group decision, send it to list

Jan: not a problem will do
... i will send it to the list nwo

nwo/now

<lisa> rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/

LS: link to persona
... link from Pietro is a good one of a high school student with Autism

<Pietro> "He has problems with visual information" is not so correct

Ls: we may want to change it a lovely resource
... we want to have a list of all types
... think this is very good
... does anyone want to own this piece of putting together personas

JAN: don’t mind helping with that

I could help as well

<lisa> ACTION: Jan to ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on Jan McSorley - due 2017-10-05].

Jan: think coud start compile them into google docs

LS: we have in google doc have a setion caclled persona
... we could put in separate document

<Pietro> http://rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/personas-for-accessible-ux/

LS: could put peronase in separate google document?
... put in sepate documents

<lisa> ACTION: Lisa to make "linked to " document fpor persona [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Make "linked to " document fpor persona [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].

Jan: thinks it would be betrter ins sepate docments

LS: personas and links personas will be all together

Jan: need to be clear about copywright if not clear
... i have an example that might be good, typical one and they are short
... we can work on it to expand them ot

ot/out

LS: we can carry this on on list and google docs
... we have these eight themes for system requirments
... did ask for people to look at it
... will copy into an email and techniques that would go into a theme

I can work with you on it

LS: also will send to list to see who can help

<lisa> ACTION: Johnk , and lisa add the coga SC to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - , and lisa add the coga sc to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on John Kirkwood - due 2017-10-05].

LS: this is an important part of document that it would be helpful to have it
... after we have all SC here internationalization, author burdon, and testability
... we can make this a first draft
... secction would be further development these are the main sections

Jan: can we put on agend to meet with EO chairs about the other document to revise
... put on agenda first or second meeting when you are back to get feedback

LS: what day of the week do they meet

Jan: they meet 8:30 eastern on friday mornings
... maybe we could have one of their chairs do join

Jan; they need feedback on how to fix it

LS: thats on the 19th

Jan: will make sure and send name of chair to attend

LS: please send link again to list
... do we have section on user testing?
... that is important as well
... adding a section on user testing
... roadmap to accessiblity its important to have user testing
... should include user testing as focus group and feedback
... do we have volunteers?
... issue papers we should mention that we have ones be working on try to find link in IRC

<lisa> scribe: lisa

John had found what we had so far

<kirkwood> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L7kB_enQ8g3PMRp_BN_QNPLUN9_LKu7QIGe-U7uWKO0/edit#heading=h.z0scan6uq5jd

<kirkwood> AI agents bots

<kirkwood> LS: putting lin in the google doc

<Pietro> I get "You need permission"

<kirkwood> LS: need to make sure whatever is in here that they are merged

<AndyHeath> andyheathaxelrod@googlemail.com

<kirkwood> email John Kirkood to requst access

<kirkwood> Link sent to Andy

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