IRC log of coga on 2017-09-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc
- 13:23:59 [lisa]
- zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF
- 13:23:59 [Zakim]
- ok, lisa
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- regrets: Neil
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- agenda
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- agenda+ Techniques for WCAG 2.1 - are there more questions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit?usp=sharing
- 13:29:37 [lisa]
- agenda+ Other WCAG updates and support - such as implementations and dissemination
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- agenda+ The roadmap - making inclusive content - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
- 13:29:40 [lisa]
- agenda+ Issue papers - voice/conversational interfaces and coordination between version https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit#
- 13:53:06 [lisa]
- regrets: Neil, John Rochford
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- present+
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- zakim, who's here?
- 14:01:44 [Zakim]
- Present: MichaelC, John_Kirkwood, John_Rochford, Andy_Heath, Jan_McSorley, kirkwood, JohnRochford, Pietro, janina
- 14:01:46 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, kirkwood, MichaelC, lisa, janina, Zakim, trackbot
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- scribe: kirkwood
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Comments on the Education and outreach document" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- topics: updates
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- topic: updates
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- present+
- 14:08:48 [Jan]
- Jan has joined #coga
- 14:09:06 [kirkwood]
- LS: next two Thursdays can’t be on phone
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- present+
- 14:09:33 [kirkwood]
- LS: next two weeks cant be on phone. can have working sessions on the phone
- 14:10:03 [kirkwood]
- LS: carrying on work on list and on google docs. can have working calls in between
- 14:10:05 [lisa]
- zakim, next item
- 14:10:05 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Techniques for WCAG 2.1 - are there more questions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit?usp=sharing" taken up [from
- 14:10:08 [Zakim]
- ... lisa]
- 14:11:25 [kirkwood]
- LS: carry on with action items, keep moving forward considering holidays
- 14:12:50 [kirkwood]
- LS: know have taken up ones, do we want to schedule a working call?
- 14:13:27 [kirkwood]
- Andy: working on it
- 14:14:01 [kirkwood]
- Jan: trying to get it done, open to having a working session
- 14:14:24 [kirkwood]
- Andy: session did last week, Jan was very useful
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- Jan: I can do next Thursday
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- Andy: its very useful
- 14:15:25 [kirkwood]
- LS: next week we will have a working session. Please look at the example of what we have done in WCAG techniques
- 14:16:12 [kirkwood]
- LS: next week same time hour set asid whoever wnats to be on webex
- 14:16:28 [kirkwood]
- Jan: it was helpful to have Michael there as well
- 14:16:39 [kirkwood]
- LS: Michael cant be there maybe Alistair
- 14:16:51 [lisa]
- zakim, next item
- 14:16:51 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Other WCAG updates and support - such as implementations and dissemination" taken up [from lisa]
- 14:16:54 [kirkwood]
- LS: if anyone wants more time next week reach out
- 14:18:07 [kirkwood]
- LS: the other WCAG related item. spoke to person. did anyone else able to manage to reach out to other groups
- 14:18:17 [kirkwood]
- Jan: reached out to advocacy person
- 14:18:58 [kirkwood]
- LS: the lists or useful
- 14:19:15 [Jan]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
- 14:19:27 [kirkwood]
- LS: if anything needs to be higher or is missing comment
- 14:20:05 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything
- 14:20:07 [kirkwood]
- LS: puropos control 1.3.4 check list definitions
- 14:20:23 [lisa]
- anything that is moissing or should be AA instid of AAA
- 14:20:38 [kirkwood]
- LS: that is useful anything missing or AA rather than AAA is the kind of feedback needed
- 14:20:49 [kirkwood]
- LS: based on comments from outside
- 14:21:02 [kirkwood]
- LS: could get upgrade if enough want it
- 14:22:24 [kirkwood]
- LS: Jan: can we go through all of them in and would be
- 14:22:36 [kirkwood]
- LS: 1.3.4 purpose control
- 14:23:04 [kirkwood]
- LS: going to get feedback its too long
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- LS: we’ve got a list called common controls
- 14:24:39 [kirkwood]
- LS: not only get in but get review as well, we know that people going to say its too long
- 14:25:04 [kirkwood]
- LS: even if things don’t get in, it will help things to get in
- 14:25:12 [lisa]
- 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing
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- 1.3.5 Contextual Information
- 14:25:15 [lisa]
- Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication
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- Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)
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- Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts
- 14:25:22 [kirkwood]
- Jan: 1.3.4 and what is the next one
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- LS: these links are the five
- 14:25:45 [lisa]
- should AAA be AA
- 14:25:47 [kirkwood]
- LS: most are AA
- 14:26:02 [lisa]
- what have we missed out
- 14:26:02 [kirkwood]
- LS: should they be AA or single A
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- LS: what have me missed out
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- LS: another thing is examples of people doing them
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- LS: if there are ptople implementing that goes a long way
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- LS: is there any way you could see them being implemented on a site
- 14:27:20 [kirkwood]
- Jan: i think so
- 14:27:36 [kirkwood]
- Andy: authetification, interuptions and time outs
- 14:27:37 [Pietro]
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- zakim, next item
- 14:27:38 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "The roadmap - making inclusive content - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#" taken up [from lisa]
- 14:27:45 [Pietro]
- Present*
- 14:27:48 [Pietro]
- Present+
- 14:27:50 [kirkwood]
- LS: as well as purpose contol, whatever we can get in
- 14:28:13 [kirkwood]
- Andy: some times in real world they are, andy found a timeout
- 14:28:32 [kirkwood]
- Andy: found one thought handled well
- 14:29:11 [kirkwood]
- Andy: came and notified me in a use case, when come across sampes i will report them
- 14:29:36 [kirkwood]
- LS: think we’ve come across a few
- 14:29:36 [Pietro]
- Hello!
- 14:29:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: asking petro such as purpose control
- 14:30:19 [kirkwood]
- LS: want to find places in real world where implemented
- 14:30:20 [lisa]
- 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing
- 14:30:21 [lisa]
- 1.3.5 Contextual Information
- 14:30:23 [lisa]
- Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication
- 14:30:24 [lisa]
- Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)
- 14:30:26 [lisa]
- Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts
- 14:30:27 [kirkwood]
- LS: shows doable and in use
- 14:31:11 [kirkwood]
- LS: we were asking people to look at SC in draft and comment what is missing
- 14:31:14 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
- 14:31:16 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything
- 14:31:28 [kirkwood]
- LS: if unhappy things aren’t there now is the time
- 14:31:58 [Pietro]
- I added some comments on issue paper
- 14:32:01 [lisa]
- q?
- 14:32:04 [Pietro]
- "Conversational interfaces and voice systems"
- 14:32:05 [kirkwood]
- LS: comment on clasification AA versus AAA if you can think of anyone put them in touch
- 14:32:28 [Pietro]
- I have some comments for persona too
- 14:32:40 [lisa]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit
- 14:32:41 [kirkwood]
- LS: comments are helpful Pietro
- 14:33:03 [kirkwood]
- LS: we were talking about draft as per link
- 14:33:26 [kirkwood]
- LS: if you want draft emal to send out I can write
- 14:33:44 [kirkwood]
- LS: building your COGA friendly content and applications
- 14:34:11 [kirkwood]
- LS: this is what interested now, as soon as we get it out people can start using
- 14:34:29 [kirkwood]
- LS: we have structure lets start adding content
- 14:34:39 [kirkwood]
- LS: user needs Andy has that action
- 14:34:39 [Pietro]
- I need draft email to send out
- 14:34:57 [lisa]
- ok
- 14:34:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: Petro did you want to add something too on the personas?
- 14:35:02 [Pietro]
- About persona, they write right things with wrong words
- 14:35:07 [Jan]
- q+
- 14:35:20 [lisa]
- action: lisa to send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1
- 14:35:21 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-239 - Send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].
- 14:35:29 [kirkwood]
- LS: will send Pietro a darft email
- 14:35:32 [lisa]
- ack j
- 14:35:38 [kirkwood]
- I would like it too, Lisa
- 14:35:45 [lisa]
- great
- 14:36:14 [kirkwood]
- Jan: do we have anything, would like to see an example of what you would need for a peronas, what i have is kind of long
- 14:36:31 [kirkwood]
- Jan: will send it to Lisa
- 14:36:43 [Pietro]
- I can explain by email comments about persona rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/
- 14:36:46 [kirkwood]
- LS: needs to be a group decision, send it to list
- 14:36:55 [kirkwood]
- Jan: not a problem will do
- 14:37:25 [kirkwood]
- Jan: i will send it to the list nwo
- 14:37:32 [kirkwood]
- nwo/now
- 14:37:54 [lisa]
- rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/
- 14:38:04 [kirkwood]
- LS: link to persona
- 14:38:37 [kirkwood]
- LS: link from Pietro is a good one of a high school student with Autism
- 14:38:57 [Pietro]
- "He has problems with visual information" is not so correct
- 14:39:04 [kirkwood]
- Ls: we may want to change it a lovely resource
- 14:40:37 [kirkwood]
- LS: we want to have a list of all types
- 14:41:02 [kirkwood]
- LS: think this is very good
- 14:41:29 [kirkwood]
- Ls: does anyone want to own this piece of putting together personas
- 14:41:37 [kirkwood]
- JAN: don’t mind helping with that
- 14:41:43 [kirkwood]
- I could help as well
- 14:42:00 [lisa]
- action: Jan to ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
- 14:42:00 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-240 - Ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on Jan McSorley - due 2017-10-05].
- 14:42:07 [kirkwood]
- Jan: think coud start compile them into google docs
- 14:42:26 [kirkwood]
- LS: we have in google doc have a setion caclled persona
- 14:42:50 [kirkwood]
- LS: we could put in separate document
- 14:43:22 [Pietro]
- http://rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/personas-for-accessible-ux/
- 14:43:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: could put peronase in separate google document?
- 14:44:36 [kirkwood]
- LS: put in sepate documents
- 14:44:47 [lisa]
- action: Lisa to make "linked to " document fpor persona
- 14:44:48 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-241 - Make "linked to " document fpor persona [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].
- 14:44:55 [kirkwood]
- Jan: thinks it would be betrter ins sepate docments
- 14:45:16 [kirkwood]
- LS: personas and links personas will be all together
- 14:45:31 [kirkwood]
- Jan: need to be clear about copywright if not clear
- 14:46:03 [kirkwood]
- Jan: i have an example that might be good, typical one and they are short
- 14:46:14 [kirkwood]
- Jan: we can work on it to expand them ot
- 14:46:18 [kirkwood]
- ot/out
- 14:46:36 [kirkwood]
- LS: we can carry this on on list and google docs
- 14:46:54 [kirkwood]
- LS: we have these eight themes for system requirments
- 14:47:10 [kirkwood]
- LS: did ask for people to look at it
- 14:47:34 [kirkwood]
- LS: will copy into an email and techniques that would go into a theme
- 14:48:03 [kirkwood]
- I can work with you on it
- 14:48:24 [kirkwood]
- LS: also will send to list to see who can help
- 14:48:42 [lisa]
- action: Johnk , and lisa add the coga SC to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
- 14:48:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-242 - , and lisa add the coga sc to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on John Kirkwood - due 2017-10-05].
- 14:49:21 [kirkwood]
- LS: this is an important part of document that it would be helpful to have it
- 14:49:55 [kirkwood]
- LS: after we have all SC here internationalization, author burdon, and testability
- 14:50:16 [kirkwood]
- LS: we can make this a first draft
- 14:50:44 [kirkwood]
- LS: secction would be further development these are the main sections
- 14:51:06 [lisa]
- Q?
- 14:51:42 [kirkwood]
- Jan: can we put on agend to meet with EO chairs about the other document to revise
- 14:52:06 [kirkwood]
- Jan: put on agenda first or second meeting when you are back to get feedback
- 14:52:26 [kirkwood]
- LS: what day of the week do they meet
- 14:52:41 [kirkwood]
- Jan: they meet 8:30 eastern on friday mornings
- 14:53:05 [kirkwood]
- Jan: maybe we could have one of their chairs do join
- 14:53:21 [kirkwood]
- Jan; they need feedback on how to fix it
- 14:53:32 [kirkwood]
- LS: thats on the 19th
- 14:53:47 [kirkwood]
- Jan: will make sure and send name of chair to attend
- 14:53:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: please send link again to list
- 14:54:35 [kirkwood]
- LS: do we have section on user testing?
- 14:54:44 [kirkwood]
- LS: that is important as well
- 14:55:02 [kirkwood]
- LS: adding a section on user testing
- 14:55:35 [kirkwood]
- LS: roadmap to accessiblity its important to have user testing
- 14:55:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: should include user testing as focus group and feedback
- 14:56:17 [kirkwood]
- LS: do we have volunteers?
- 14:56:42 [lisa]
- zakim, next item
- 14:56:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Issue papers - voice/conversational interfaces and coordination between version https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit#"
- 14:56:45 [Zakim]
- ... taken up [from lisa]
- 14:57:40 [kirkwood]
- LS: issue papers we should mention that we have ones be working on try to find link in IRC
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- scribe: lisa
- 14:58:25 [lisa]
- John had found what we had so far
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- 14:59:39 [kirkwood]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L7kB_enQ8g3PMRp_BN_QNPLUN9_LKu7QIGe-U7uWKO0/edit#heading=h.z0scan6uq5jd
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- AI agents bots
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- LS: putting lin in the google doc
- 15:01:23 [Pietro]
- I get "You need permission"
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- LS: need to make sure whatever is in here that they are merged
- 15:03:11 [AndyHeath]
- andyheathaxelrod@googlemail.com
- 15:04:56 [kirkwood]
- email John Kirkood to requst access
- 15:05:03 [kirkwood]
- Link sent to Andy
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- AndyHeath has joined #coga
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- rrsagent, create minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html lisa
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- zakim, please part
- 15:43:46 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, John_Kirkwood, John_Rochford, Andy_Heath, Jan_McSorley, kirkwood, JohnRochford, Pietro, janina, lisa, AndyHeath
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- rssagent, please part
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- rrsagent, please part
- 15:44:02 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: lisa to send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-35-20
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- ACTION: Jan to ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [2]
- 15:44:02 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-42-00
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- ACTION: Lisa to make "linked to " document fpor persona [3]
- 15:44:02 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-44-47
- 15:44:02 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Johnk , and lisa add the coga SC to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [4]
- 15:44:02 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-48-42