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13:23:59 <lisa> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
13:23:59 <Zakim> ok, lisa
13:24:08 <lisa> regrets: Neil
13:24:21 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
13:29:34 <lisa> agenda
13:29:35 <lisa> agenda+ Techniques for WCAG 2.1 - are there more questions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit?usp=sharing
13:29:37 <lisa> agenda+ Other WCAG updates and support - such as implementations and dissemination
13:29:39 <lisa> agenda+ The roadmap - making inclusive content -  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
13:29:40 <lisa> agenda+ Issue papers -  voice/conversational interfaces and coordination between version  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit#
13:53:06 <lisa> regrets: Neil, John Rochford
14:01:35 <janina> present+
14:01:44 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:01:44 <Zakim> Present: MichaelC, John_Kirkwood, John_Rochford, Andy_Heath, Jan_McSorley, kirkwood, JohnRochford, Pietro, janina
14:01:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kirkwood, MichaelC, lisa, janina, Zakim, trackbot
14:05:19 <lisa> scribe: kirkwood
14:07:23 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:07:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Comments on the Education and outreach document" taken up [from MichaelC]
14:08:07 <lisa> topics: updates
14:08:20 <lisa> topic: updates
14:08:43 <lisa> present+
14:08:48 <Jan> Jan has joined #coga
14:09:06 <kirkwood> LS: next two Thursdays can’t be on phone
14:09:14 <AndyHeath> AndyHeath has joined #coga
14:09:28 <AndyHeath> present+
14:09:33 <kirkwood> LS: next two weeks cant be on phone. can have working sessions on the phone
14:10:03 <kirkwood> LS: carrying on work on list and on google docs. can have working calls in between
14:10:05 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Techniques for WCAG 2.1 - are there more questions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit?usp=sharing" taken up [from
14:10:08 <Zakim> ... lisa]
14:11:25 <kirkwood> LS: carry on with action items, keep moving forward considering holidays
14:12:50 <kirkwood> LS: know have taken up ones, do we want to schedule a working call?
14:13:27 <kirkwood> Andy: working on it
14:14:01 <kirkwood> Jan: trying to get it done, open to having a working session
14:14:24 <kirkwood> Andy: session did last week, Jan was very useful
14:14:38 <kirkwood> Jan: I can do next Thursday
14:14:55 <kirkwood> Andy: its very useful
14:15:25 <kirkwood> LS: next week we will have a working session. Please look at the example of what we have done in WCAG techniques
14:16:12 <kirkwood> LS: next week same time hour set asid whoever wnats to be on webex
14:16:28 <kirkwood> Jan: it was helpful to have Michael there as well
14:16:39 <kirkwood> LS: Michael cant be there maybe Alistair
14:16:51 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:16:51 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Other WCAG updates and support - such as implementations and dissemination" taken up [from lisa]
14:16:54 <kirkwood> LS: if anyone wants more time next week reach out
14:18:07 <kirkwood> LS: the other WCAG related item. spoke to person. did anyone else able to manage to reach out to other groups
14:18:17 <kirkwood> Jan: reached out to advocacy person
14:18:58 <kirkwood> LS: the lists or useful
14:19:15 <Jan> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
14:19:27 <kirkwood> LS: if anything needs to be higher or is missing comment
14:20:05 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything
14:20:07 <kirkwood> LS: puropos control  1.3.4  check list definitions
14:20:23 <lisa> anything that is moissing or should be AA instid of AAA
14:20:38 <kirkwood> LS: that is useful anything missing or AA rather than AAA is the kind of feedback needed
14:20:49 <kirkwood> LS: based on comments from outside
14:21:02 <kirkwood> LS: could get upgrade if enough want it
14:22:24 <kirkwood> LS: Jan: can we go through all of them in  and would be
14:22:36 <kirkwood> LS: 1.3.4 purpose control
14:23:04 <kirkwood> LS: going to get feedback its too long
14:24:05 <kirkwood> LS: we’ve got a list called common controls
14:24:39 <kirkwood> LS: not only get in but get review as well, we know that people going to say its too long
14:25:04 <kirkwood> LS: even if things don’t get in, it will help things to get in
14:25:12 <lisa> 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing
14:25:14 <lisa> 1.3.5 Contextual Information
14:25:15 <lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication
14:25:17 <lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)
14:25:18 <lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts
14:25:22 <kirkwood> Jan: 1.3.4 and what is the next one
14:25:32 <kirkwood> LS: these links are the five
14:25:45 <lisa> should AAA be AA
14:25:47 <kirkwood> LS: most are AA
14:26:02 <lisa> what have we missed out
14:26:02 <kirkwood> LS: should they be AA or single A
14:26:10 <kirkwood> LS: what have me missed out
14:26:30 <kirkwood> LS: another thing is examples of people doing them
14:26:47 <kirkwood> LS: if there are ptople implementing that goes a long way
14:27:11 <kirkwood> LS: is there any way you could see them being implemented on a site
14:27:20 <kirkwood> Jan: i think so
14:27:36 <kirkwood> Andy: authetification, interuptions and time outs
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14:27:38 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:27:38 <Zakim> agendum 5. "The roadmap - making inclusive content -  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#" taken up [from lisa]
14:27:45 <Pietro> Present*
14:27:48 <Pietro> Present+
14:27:50 <kirkwood> LS: as well as purpose contol, whatever we can get in
14:28:13 <kirkwood> Andy: some times in real world they are, andy found a timeout
14:28:32 <kirkwood> Andy: found one thought handled well
14:29:11 <kirkwood> Andy: came and notified me in a use case, when come across sampes i will report them
14:29:36 <kirkwood> LS: think we’ve come across a few
14:29:36 <Pietro> Hello!
14:29:59 <kirkwood> LS: asking petro such as purpose control
14:30:19 <kirkwood> LS: want to find places in real world where implemented
14:30:20 <lisa> 	1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing
14:30:21 <lisa> 	1.3.5 Contextual Information
14:30:23 <lisa> 	Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication
14:30:24 <lisa> 	Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)
14:30:26 <lisa> 	Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts
14:30:27 <kirkwood> LS: shows doable and in use
14:31:11 <kirkwood> LS: we were asking people to look at SC in draft and comment what is missing
14:31:14 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
14:31:16 <lisa> 	https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything
14:31:28 <kirkwood> LS: if unhappy things aren’t there now is the time
14:31:58 <Pietro> I added some comments on issue paper
14:32:01 <lisa> q?
14:32:04 <Pietro> "Conversational interfaces and voice systems"
14:32:05 <kirkwood> LS: comment on clasification AA versus AAA if you can think of anyone put them in touch
14:32:28 <Pietro> I have some comments for persona too
14:32:40 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit
14:32:41 <kirkwood> LS: comments are helpful Pietro
14:33:03 <kirkwood> LS: we were talking about draft as per link
14:33:26 <kirkwood> LS: if you want draft emal to send out I can write
14:33:44 <kirkwood> LS: building your COGA friendly content and applications
14:34:11 <kirkwood> LS: this is what interested now, as soon as we get it out people can start using
14:34:29 <kirkwood> LS: we have structure lets start adding content
14:34:39 <kirkwood> LS: user needs Andy has that action
14:34:39 <Pietro> I need draft email to send out
14:34:57 <lisa> ok
14:34:59 <kirkwood> LS: Petro did you want to add something too on the personas?
14:35:02 <Pietro> About persona, they write right things with wrong words
14:35:07 <Jan> q+
14:35:20 <lisa> action: lisa to send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1
14:35:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].
14:35:29 <kirkwood> LS: will send Pietro a darft email
14:35:32 <lisa> ack j
14:35:38 <kirkwood> I would like it too, Lisa
14:35:45 <lisa> great
14:36:14 <kirkwood> Jan: do we have anything, would like to see an example of what you would need for a peronas, what i have is kind of long
14:36:31 <kirkwood> Jan: will send it to Lisa
14:36:43 <Pietro> I can explain by email comments about persona rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/
14:36:46 <kirkwood> LS: needs to be a group decision, send it to list
14:36:55 <kirkwood> Jan: not a problem will do
14:37:25 <kirkwood> Jan: i will send it to the list nwo
14:37:32 <kirkwood> nwo/now
14:37:54 <lisa> rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/
14:38:04 <kirkwood> LS: link to persona
14:38:37 <kirkwood> LS: link from Pietro is a good one of a high school student with Autism
14:38:57 <Pietro> "He has problems with visual information" is not so correct
14:39:04 <kirkwood> Ls: we may want to change it a lovely resource
14:40:37 <kirkwood> LS: we want to have a list of all types
14:41:02 <kirkwood> LS: think this is very good
14:41:29 <kirkwood> Ls: does anyone want to own this piece of putting together personas
14:41:37 <kirkwood> JAN: don’t mind helping with that
14:41:43 <kirkwood> I could help as well
14:42:00 <lisa> action: Jan to ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
14:42:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on Jan McSorley - due 2017-10-05].
14:42:07 <kirkwood> Jan: think coud start compile them into google docs
14:42:26 <kirkwood> LS: we have in google doc have a setion caclled persona
14:42:50 <kirkwood> LS: we could put in separate document
14:43:22 <Pietro> http://rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/personas-for-accessible-ux/
14:43:59 <kirkwood> LS:  could put peronase in separate google document?
14:44:36 <kirkwood> LS: put in sepate documents
14:44:47 <lisa> action: Lisa to make "linked to " document fpor persona
14:44:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Make "linked to " document fpor persona [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].
14:44:55 <kirkwood> Jan: thinks it would be betrter ins sepate docments
14:45:16 <kirkwood> LS: personas and links personas will be all together
14:45:31 <kirkwood> Jan: need to be clear about copywright if not clear
14:46:03 <kirkwood> Jan: i have an example that might be good, typical one and they are short
14:46:14 <kirkwood> Jan: we can work on it to expand them ot
14:46:18 <kirkwood> ot/out
14:46:36 <kirkwood> LS: we can carry this on on list and google docs
14:46:54 <kirkwood> LS: we have these eight themes for system requirments
14:47:10 <kirkwood> LS: did ask for people to look at it
14:47:34 <kirkwood> LS: will copy into an email and techniques that would go into a theme
14:48:03 <kirkwood> I can work with you on it
14:48:24 <kirkwood> LS: also will send to list to see who can help
14:48:42 <lisa> action: Johnk , and lisa add the coga SC to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
14:48:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - , and lisa add the coga sc to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on John Kirkwood - due 2017-10-05].
14:49:21 <kirkwood> LS: this is an important part of document that it would be helpful to have it
14:49:55 <kirkwood> LS: after we have all SC here internationalization, author burdon, and testability
14:50:16 <kirkwood> LS: we can make this a first draft
14:50:44 <kirkwood> LS: secction would be further development these are the main sections
14:51:06 <lisa> Q?
14:51:42 <kirkwood> Jan: can we put on agend to meet with EO chairs about the other document to revise
14:52:06 <kirkwood> Jan: put on agenda first or second meeting when you are back to get feedback
14:52:26 <kirkwood> LS: what day of the week do they meet
14:52:41 <kirkwood> Jan: they meet 8:30 eastern on friday mornings
14:53:05 <kirkwood> Jan: maybe we could have one of their chairs do join
14:53:21 <kirkwood> Jan; they need feedback on how to fix it
14:53:32 <kirkwood> LS: thats on the 19th
14:53:47 <kirkwood> Jan: will make sure and send name of chair to attend
14:53:59 <kirkwood> LS: please send link again to list
14:54:35 <kirkwood> LS: do we have section on user testing?
14:54:44 <kirkwood> LS: that is important as well
14:55:02 <kirkwood> LS: adding a section on user testing
14:55:35 <kirkwood> LS: roadmap to accessiblity its important to have user testing
14:55:59 <kirkwood> LS: should include user testing as focus group and feedback
14:56:17 <kirkwood> LS: do we have volunteers?
14:56:42 <lisa> zakim, next item
14:56:42 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue papers -  voice/conversational interfaces and coordination between version  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit#"
14:56:45 <Zakim> ... taken up [from lisa]
14:57:40 <kirkwood> LS: issue papers we should mention that we have ones be working on try to find link in IRC
14:58:13 <lisa> scribe: lisa
14:58:25 <lisa> John had found what we had so far
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14:59:39 <kirkwood> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L7kB_enQ8g3PMRp_BN_QNPLUN9_LKu7QIGe-U7uWKO0/edit#heading=h.z0scan6uq5jd
15:00:14 <kirkwood> AI agents bots
15:01:10 <kirkwood> LS: putting lin in the google doc
15:01:23 <Pietro> I get "You need permission"
15:01:48 <kirkwood> LS: need to make sure whatever is in here that they are merged
15:03:11 <AndyHeath> andyheathaxelrod@googlemail.com
15:04:56 <kirkwood> email John Kirkood to requst access
15:05:03 <kirkwood> Link sent to Andy
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15:42:55 <lisa>  rrsagent, create minutes
15:42:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html lisa
15:43:46 <lisa> zakim, please part
15:43:46 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, John_Kirkwood, John_Rochford, Andy_Heath, Jan_McSorley, kirkwood, JohnRochford, Pietro, janina, lisa, AndyHeath
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15:43:54 <lisa> rssagent, please part
15:44:02 <lisa> rrsagent, please part
15:44:02 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-actions.rdf :
15:44:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [1]
15:44:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-35-20
15:44:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jan to ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [2]
15:44:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-42-00
15:44:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lisa to make "linked to " document fpor persona [3]
15:44:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-44-47
15:44:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Johnk , and lisa add the coga SC to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [4]
15:44:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-irc#T14-48-42