<lisa> password please?

<lisa> i think i found it

<lisa> I'm in, thanks

<allanj> scribe: allanj

<Judy> scribe: Jim

Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date

<allanj> scribe: allanj

jb: reviews agenda
... no additions
... next meeting 2 Aug

Milestones, publications, announcements check

jb: no publishing for a bit (november) for Publishing
... ARIA TPAC deadline PR or done

<AWK> +AWK

gk: think its PR

awk: another working draft for WCAG21 by end of July

Any updates or requests on cross-group doc reviews?

jb: WCAG21 draft in July will be last draft before CR

awk: DPUB is reviewing, as is ARIA and PF
... wd end of july, and august (no more new items), then draft in sept and nov. CR in Dec

janina: review before final. sometime in september (stable draft)

awk: before TPAC is ideal

EOWG Charter for Review by W3C Member AC Reps

<AWK> how long is the charter duration?

jb: reviews status. new charter proposed for nearly 3 years
... charter review closes 10 Aug

Progress on personalization TF formation?

<janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/task-forces/personalization/work-statement

janina: Charles Lapierre to be co-facilitator
... CFC for work statement going out soon
... TF spawned from ARIA WG
... will liaze with CSS
... post draft to WAICC

jb: Charles can join WAICC calls, perhaps rotate with Lisa. will add Charles to WAICC meeting notifiactions

ls: want personalization to be compatible with gpii
... not an implementation

janina: to be a spec in W3C need 2 implementations

<Judy> scribe: Judy

<lisa> we have it

JS: We're looking at one implementation so far... we want a second one
... from somewhere in publishing, ideally

LS: We have a second one, actually, User First, from Israel

JS: What stack do they build user agents on?

LS: They do accessibility support through personalization, and it works on all different environments
... and he has also offered to make part of it open source

JS: Sounds like a longer conversation... let's not try to figure that all out here.

LS: He made a demo, and sent it to the WCAG list, implementing it on a Spanish site, and making an additional implementation there.
... so it is a server-side implementation, ready to go.

<tzviya> scribenick: Tzviya

TS: To clarify about reading systems as UAs for implemention, many are based on the same kernals as browsers. For example, if something is not implemented in WebKit, many Reading systems will say that they can't demonstrate functionality yet.

<janina> scribe: janina

mc: ARIA likely to move to a CFC on this after Thursday 27 July

<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to clarify role of publishing implementations

<tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2017Jul/0007.html

Reminder of backgrounder on accessibility & EME https://www.w3.org/2017/03/eme-accessibility.html

jb: EME has been of concern off and on ...
... Our testing has confirmed that accessibility information (captions, transcripts, audio description) are available regardless of EME implementation
... Assertions from outside have been made that EME is blocking accessibility, but we have not found that to be so; also that w3c has not addressed accessibility through w3c process, though we have
... May be more updates to the doc that explains all this
... Still open for feedback
... The erroneous assertions included flash mitigation--can be done, through browser driver post-processing

awk: Saw the discussion on AC list

ts: Seen what's been said via the blogs

Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?

jb: There is general distate in some quarters against any kind of DRM, but DRM as a11y barrier hasn't proven out

Accessiblity object model

<tzviya> https://github.com/WICG/aom

<Judy> tzviya: Is there continuing work on that?

<Judy> michael: seemed inactive?

<Judy> tzviya: no, seems active within the last month

ts Recalling a TPAC presentation of ts: Notes issue tracker has had activity in the past month

<Judy> michael: seems to keep moving repos

mc: ARIA is confused--we'll look at this again
... We've tried to track, but has seemed inactive

<Judy> s/EME has been a concern/EME and accessibility has been a report item/

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Got date from IRC log name: 19 Jul 2017
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