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18:29:36 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date
18:29:36 <Judy> agenda+ Milestones, publications, announcements check
18:29:36 <Judy> agenda+ Any updates or requests on cross-group doc reviews?
18:29:36 <Judy> Agenda+ EOWG Charter for Review by W3C Member AC Reps
18:29:36 <Judy> agenda+ Progress on personalization TF formation?
18:29:37 <Judy> agenda+ Reminder of backgrounder on accessibility & EME https://www.w3.org/2017/03/eme-accessibility.html
18:29:38 <Judy> agenda+ Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?
18:29:40 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
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18:32:29 <lisa> password please?
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18:33:34 <lisa> i think i found it
18:34:15 <janina> present+
18:34:27 <Judy> present+ Judy
18:34:29 <tzviya> present+
18:34:34 <lisa> I'm in, thanks
18:34:39 <lisa> present+
18:34:41 <allanj> present+
18:35:59 <allanj> scribe: allanj
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18:36:15 <Judy> scribe: Jim
18:36:26 <George> present+ George
18:36:47 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:36:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirm scribe, agenda, next meeting date" taken up [from Judy]
18:37:09 <allanj> scribe: allanj
18:37:30 <allanj> jb: reviews agenda
18:37:52 <allanj> ... no additions
18:38:04 <allanj> ... next meeting 2 Aug
18:38:07 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:38:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Milestones, publications, announcements check" taken up [from Judy]
18:39:32 <allanj> jb: no publishing for a bit (november) for Publishing
18:40:19 <allanj> ... ARIA TPAC deadline PR or done
18:40:30 <AWK> +AWK
18:40:30 <allanj> gk: think its PR
18:42:42 <allanj> awk: another working draft for WCAG21 by end of July
18:44:53 <Judy> q?
18:44:58 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:44:58 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Any updates or requests on cross-group doc reviews?" taken up [from Judy]
18:46:00 <allanj> jb: WCAG21 draft in July will be last draft before CR
18:46:52 <allanj> awk: DPUB is reviewing, as is ARIA and PF
18:47:50 <allanj> ... wd end of july, and august (no more new items), then draft in sept and nov. CR in Dec
18:48:51 <allanj> janina: review before final. sometime in september (stable draft)
18:49:02 <allanj> awk: before TPAC is ideal
18:49:44 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:49:44 <Zakim> agendum 4. "EOWG Charter for Review by W3C Member AC Reps" taken up [from Judy]
18:50:59 <AWK> how long is the charter duration?
18:51:22 <allanj> jb: reviews status. new charter good for 3 years
18:51:46 <Judy> s/good for 3/proposed for nearly 3/
18:54:00 <allanj> jb: charter review closes 10 Aug
18:54:51 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:54:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Progress on personalization TF formation?" taken up [from Judy]
18:56:00 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/task-forces/personalization/work-statement
18:56:36 <allanj> janina: Charles Lapierre to be co-chair
18:57:06 <allanj> ... CFC for work statement going out soon
18:58:02 <allanj> janina: TF spawned from ARIA WG
18:58:55 <allanj> ... will liaze with CSS
18:59:27 <allanj> janina: post announcement to WAICC
19:00:22 <Judy> s/announcement/draft/
19:01:32 <Judy> s/co-chair/co-facilitator/
19:01:35 <allanj> jb: Charles can join WAICC calls, perhaps rotate with Lisa. will add Charles to WAICC meeting notifiactions
19:04:32 <allanj> ls: want personalization to be compatible with gpii
19:04:41 <allanj> ... not an implementation
19:05:08 <allanj> janina: to be a spec in W3C need 2 implementations
19:05:42 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
19:05:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose janina
19:06:00 <Judy> scribe: Judy
19:06:17 <lisa> we have it
19:06:29 <Judy> JS: We're looking at one implementation so far... we want a second one
19:06:36 <Judy> ...from somewhere in publishing, ideally
19:06:56 <Judy> LS: We have a second one, actually, User First, from Israel
19:07:11 <Judy> JS: What stack do they build user agents on?
19:07:29 <Judy> LS: They do accessibility support through personalization, and it works on all different environments
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19:07:43 <Judy> ...and he has also offered to make part of it open source
19:07:53 <MichaelC> present+
19:08:14 <Judy> JS: Sounds like a longer conversation... let's not try to figure that all out here.
19:08:28 <tzviya> q+ to clarify role of publishing implementations
19:08:45 <Judy> LS: He made a demo, and sent it to the WCAG list, implementing it on a Spanish site, and making an additional implementation there.
19:08:56 <Judy> ...so it is a server-side implementation, ready to go.
19:10:03 <tzviya> scribenick: Tzviya
19:10:18 <Judy> agenda?
19:11:15 <tzviya> TS: To clarify about reading systems as UAs for implemention, many are based on the same kernals as browsers. For example, if something is not implemented in WebKit, many Reading systems will say that they can't demonstrate functionality yet.
19:12:29 <janina> scribe: janina
19:12:46 <janina> mc: ARIA likely to move to a CFC on this after Thursday 27 July
19:12:50 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:12:50 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
19:12:55 <Judy> q?
19:12:58 <Judy> ack t
19:12:58 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to clarify role of publishing implementations
19:12:59 <tzviya> q-
19:13:03 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:13:03 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Reminder of backgrounder on accessibility & EME https://www.w3.org/2017/03/eme-accessibility.html" taken up [from Judy]
19:13:46 <janina> jb: EME has been of concern off and on ...
19:13:53 <MichaelC> s|q-|https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2017Jul/0007.html|
19:15:12 <janina> jb: Our concern has been to confirm that alternative formats are available regardless of EME implementation
19:15:59 <janina> jb: Assertions from outside have been made that EME is blocking accessibility, but we have not found that to be so
19:16:28 <janina> jb: May be more updates to the doc that explains all this
19:16:37 <janina> jb: Still open for feedback
19:17:21 <janina> jb: The erroneous assertions included flash mitigation--can be done
19:17:56 <janina> awk: Saw the discussion on AC list
19:18:30 <janina> ts: Seen what's been said via the blogs
19:19:40 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:19:40 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?" taken up [from Judy]
19:19:48 <janina> jb: There is general distate in some quarters against any kind of DRM, but DRM as a11y barrier hasn't proven out
19:21:13 <Judy> agenda?
19:21:26 <tzviya> q+
19:23:12 <Judy> topic: Accessiblity object model
19:23:27 <tzviya> https://github.com/WICG/aom
19:23:29 <Judy> tzviya: Is there continuing work on that?
19:23:46 <Judy> michael: seemed inactive?
19:23:59 <Judy> tzviya: no, seems active within the last month
19:24:04 <janina> ts Recalling a TPAC presentation of ts: Notes issue tracker has had activity in the past month
19:24:10 <Judy> michael: seems to keep moving repos
19:24:16 <janina> mc: ARIA is confused--we'll look at this again
19:24:30 <janina> mc: We've tried to track, but has seemed inactive
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19:28:46 <Judy> s/EME has been a concern/EME and accessibility has been a report item/
19:30:21 <Judy> s/Our concern has been to confirm that alternative formats/Our testing has confirmed that accessibility information (captions, transcripts, audio description)/
19:32:41 <Judy> s/that to be so/that to be so; also that w3c has not addressed accessibility through w3c process, though we have/
19:33:19 <Judy> s/can be done/can be done, through browser driver post-processing/
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