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Pub Summit Update

Bill_Kasdorf: Request for Proposal deadline was July 15
... We did not get that many proposals, but we reached out to many speakers.
... We have to allot topics and schedule the whole program
... I have to add a few items to the spreadsheet where we've gathered info
... The committee's main task is to sort through the proposals and figure out how to combine speakers and such
... We plan to confirm the program by end of July

<Karen> scribe: Karen

Paul: Waiting to see if Rick joins
... Let's look at summer schedule
... We are having the Business Group meeting today
... Neither group will meet between July 25 and August 15th to account for summer schedules
... Steering Committee reconvenes on August 22nd
... Next Publishing Business Group meeting will be August 29, with same logistics as today
... and then continue with regular every other week schedules with those dates
... I think this has already been communicated via emails, but wanted to reconfirm
... Other items on agenda were EPUB for Education
... We need Rick to report out on the IMS Global conversations he has had
... and the Q3 priorities
... and Q4 Steering Committee were the other items
... Is there any other new business to bring forward to this group
... See if Rick shows up in the mean time

Karen: Taking a pulse question for the community
... are people clear about what we're doing?
... tools, groups, etc.

Brian: A regular cadence would be good for communications
... the BISG event on 1 August will be good to get the word out

Tzviya: Agree we need to keep educating
... for example, the "join" button is not clear what to do; people are not sure whom to contact when things don't work

Paul: Do some work in reiterating and documenting the different groups and sub-groups
... even as a co-chair with this group, there are meetings I likely should attend or direct staff to attend and have lost track of

Brian: I think the other thing to add
... a webinar or time-shifted format is good
... going to live and in-person is good, but great to have a webinar
... Karen had a presentation for IDEAlliance that was good
... pointing to webinar is good

Paul: Great point

Leslie: I have a question
... I listened in on the WG meeting yesterday
... Tzviya was assigning tasks to people
... seemed like a big group
... Was this a big cast of characters, the same as before, or were there new people coming in on a technical level?

Tzviya: We have some new people, but not as many as I had hoped
... A lot of people who were the work horses in the past are still the work horses
... Like I have Dave and Matt which is great; we do have some new members

Paul: At least those work horses are not spread out among parallel efforts

Tzviya: We do have some new people so that's good

Leslie: thanks, no names needed

George: After this burst of skeleton work we want to have done by TPAC
... then that skeleton spec or area of work will encourage others and clarify how
... organizations can get involved
... some organizations need more information before they can jump in
... Hopefully this document will enable that

Tzviya: Excellent point

BillK: Of the new people who joined, are any outside the traditional trade publishing?

Tzviya: Some new interest in text book and academic publishing
... we have not had much interest yet from user agent (UA) and browser world
... we need to get interest from the wider web

George: I had a call with an online magazine distributor
... and put him in touch will Bill McCoy about getting involved

+1 George

BillK: Can you say which magazine distributor?

George: I'll paste it in

BillK: Many of the magazine publishers are in IDEAlliance, wondering if Karen's presentation had an immediate effect?

Leslie: Following up on Tzviya's question about browser participation
... are there specific people identified?

Tzviya: Garth is talking to people at Google
... Like George said, we are going to wait until after we have the first draft to solicit more interest
... Bill has been talking to people at Edge; I'm talking to people at Mozilla Firefox
... get more of an idea and wrap our hands around this.
... If anyone has more contacts, let us know
... or reach out yourselves

<George> The magazine distributor is turn-page.com

Paul: Other items on agenda
... besides update on EPUB for Education is Q3 priorities for the Business Group
... and reminder about Q4 and Steering Committee elections towards the end of the year
... part of that is over the course of the next several months, we should clarify the role of the Steering Committee, and whether it should continue at all.
... One of the purposes of the BG was to sort out and make sure the existing CG activities are on track as we form these new Working Groups
... and related entities that everything found a home that needed to find a home
... I think we accomplished that
... There was some discussion in Steering Group meeting, about what is the most useful role that this BG can take on
... I think we want to discuss that aspect of it.
... What does the group itself feel are the most useful functions it can perform?
... We got some feedback from WG
... less strategic direction needed and more help needed with resources and communications

Tzviya: yes

Brian: This is a good time to be boots on the ground
... consistent with more communications and more frequent communications
... BISG can be more helpful here
... We have dedicated one of our upcoming webinars
... Karen is going to share more information [from the IDEAlliance presentation]
... More specific requests would be helpful; we can find a way to get things done

Paul: Clarify on the work and who is doing it
... muster additional resources and manage communications as effectively as possible should be the primary goal

George: Also, I believe the [EPUB 3] CG, when they develop product,
... the notion is that they would submit to the Publishing Business Group for review and blessing/approval
... We could establish how that is going to work when
... we anticipate an update to one of the specs
... What is the process to handle approval and the on-going marketing of that

Paul: Good point
... seems to me an appropriate function for this group

<wolfgang> +1 George

Avneesh: I would like to talk about point covered by George
... we need governance for the CG
... CG does not fall into the W3C process the way WG does
... Second thing is BG should be the interface at the grassroots level
... Specifications are done by technical experts
... who come from companies with resources
... But many small companies may not have resources to help develop specs,
... so BG should become a feedback loop to communicate to and from
... and third to communicate with broader industry; the broader vision, keep groups on track
... that is all

<tzviya> https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/ can be used by all groups

Paul: Thank you
... I have to jump at 12:30pm now
... Cristina, can you pick up chairing now?

Cristina: OK

Paul: I am going to drop now

Cristina: can you hear me?
... A comment on the role of the group
... I believe we also need to be the driving point for the business requirements not only the technical requirements
... we need to prioritize the work of the WG
... and what is needed is to better understand the business needs
... possibility of digital publishing, the most relevant features right now
... my impression in WG discussion is that it was a lot of technical stuff
... and difficult to understand the business advantages of some of the technical work

BillK: Two quick comments
... a lot of our communications
... we are talking about outward communications which is essential at this stage
... but we also should let publishing industry know that we are their vehicle for communicating with the W3C

<tzviya> +1

BillK: That goes to the business issues that Cristina was just talking about
... We can be their voice in the W3C
... One concrete thing
... at BISG Content Structure Committee meeting this week we could do more

<wolfgang> +1

BillK: in response to Rick Johnson's sharing the shocking statistic of the persistence of EPUB2 in the industry
... He is in a position to do that with Ingram's distribution of content to the supply chain
... The new EPUBs being submitted are still overwhelmingly EPUB2s
... Wonder if that is something BISG can do something about?
... We can do that in the US market with BISG,
... but there are sister organizations in other countries, BIC, Booknet Canada, etc.
... W3C is inherently an international organization
... Probably the first step is research
... BISG is also working on promoting the transition from ONYX 2 to 3

Cristina: Agree
... this is a topic where we can do more
... implementations of the standards

Karen: W3C Offices can be helpful in getting these messages out. Brazil Office recently held a Publishing outreach event. I'll take this message back internally.

Cristina: We also can do more about HTML
... anyone else on the queue?
... Any other topics to discuss?
... Rick is needed for the other topics
... Any other updates?
... I could give an update on the ISO issue
... We were able to organize a call tomorrwo
... with one of people we asked to report
... After that I will send an update on what is going on
... We will have a wider idea after the summer break
... If no one else in queue, we can end our discussion today and wait for the next meeting?
... Ok.
... Let's close the call and wait for the next meeting after the summer break
... And then there is a Summit call on Friday
... Thank you everybody

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