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16:06:07 <tzviya> topic: Pub Summit Update
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16:06:25 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: Request for Proposal deadline was July 15
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16:06:46 <tzviya> ...We did not get that many proposals, but we reached out to many speakers.
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16:07:00 <tzviya> ...We have to allot topics and schedule the whole program
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16:07:37 <tzviya> ...I have to add a few items to the spreadsheet where we've gathered info
16:08:31 <tzviya> ...The committee's main task is to sort through the proposals and figure out how to combine speakers and such
16:08:54 <tzviya> ...We plan to confirm the program by end of July
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16:09:37 <Karen> present+ Karen
16:09:41 <Karen> scribe: Karen
16:09:56 <Karen> Paul: Waiting to see if Rick joins
16:10:01 <Karen> ...Let's look at summer schedule
16:10:11 <Karen> ...We are having the Business Group meeting today
16:10:27 <Karen> ...Neither group will meet between July 25 and August 15th to account for summer schedules
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16:10:38 <Karen> ...Steering Committee reconvenes on August 22nd
16:10:53 <Karen> ...Next Publishing Business Group meeting will be August 29, with same logistics as today
16:11:03 <Karen> ...and then continue with regular every other week schedules with those dates
16:11:18 <Karen> ...I think this has already been communicated via emails, but wanted to reconfirm
16:11:39 <Karen> ...Other items on agenda were EPUB for Education
16:11:50 <Karen> ...We need Rick to report out on the IMS Global conversations he has had
16:11:53 <Karen> ...and the Q3 priorities
16:12:01 <Karen> ...and Q4 Steering Committee were the other items
16:12:12 <Karen> ...Is there any other new business to bring forward to this group
16:12:18 <Karen> ...See if Rick shows up in the mean time
16:12:19 <Karen> q+
16:12:45 <tzviya> ack k
16:13:17 <tzviya> q+
16:13:35 <Karen> Karen: Taking a pulse question for the community
16:13:43 <Karen> ...are people clear about what we're doing?
16:13:51 <Karen> ...tools, groups, etc.
16:14:01 <Karen> Brian: A regular cadence would be good
16:14:11 <Karen> ...the BISG event on 1 August will be good
16:14:20 <Karen> Tzviya: Agree we need to keep educating
16:14:38 <Karen> ...for example, the "join" button is not clear what to do, whom to contact when things don't work
16:15:00 <Karen> Paul: Do some work in reiterating and documenting the different groups and sub-groups
16:15:07 <tzviya> ack t
16:15:18 <Karen> ...even as a co-chair with this group, there are meetings I likely should attend or direct staff to attend and have lost track of
16:15:23 <Karen> Brian: I think the other thing to add
16:15:29 <Karen> ...a webinar or time-shifted format is good
16:15:44 <Karen> ...going to live and inperson is good, but great to have a webinar
16:15:55 <Karen> ...Karen had a presentation for IDEAlliance that was good
16:16:02 <Karen> ...pointing to webinar is good
16:16:08 <Karen> Paul: Great point
16:16:12 <Karen> Leslie: I have a question
16:16:20 <Karen> ...I listened in on the WG meeting
16:16:28 <Karen> ...Tzviya was assigning tasks to people
16:16:31 <Karen> ...seemed like a big group
16:16:46 <Karen> ...Was this a big cast of characters, or were there new people coming in on a technical level?
16:16:55 <Karen> Tzviya: We have some new people, but not as many as I had hoped
16:17:09 <Karen> ...A lot of people who were the work horses in the past are still the work horses
16:17:19 <Karen> ...Like I have Dave and Matt which is great; we do have some new members
16:17:32 <Karen> Paul: At least those work horses are not spread out among parallel efforts
16:17:41 <Karen> Tzviya: We do have some new people so that's good
16:17:45 <Karen> Leslie: thanks, no names needed
16:17:56 <Karen> George: After this burst of skeleton work we want to have done by TPAC
16:18:08 <Karen> ...that that skeleton spec or area of work will encourage others and clarify
16:18:12 <Karen> ...organizations to get involved
16:18:20 <Karen> ...some organizations need more information before they can jump in
16:18:26 <Karen> ...Hopefully this document will enable that
16:18:30 <Karen> Tzviya: Excellent point
16:18:46 <Karen> BillK: Of the new people who joined, are any outside the traditional trade publishing?
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16:18:58 <Karen> Tzviya: Some new interest in text book and academic publishing
16:19:10 <Karen> ...we have not had much interest yet from UA and browser world
16:19:14 <Karen> ...we need to get interest from the wider web
16:19:18 <Dan_Sanicola> Present+
16:19:29 <Karen> George: I had a call with an online magazine distributor
16:19:39 <Karen> ...and put him in touch will Bill McCoy about getting involved
16:19:41 <Karen> +1 GEorge
16:19:59 <Karen> BillK: Can you say which magazine distributor?
16:20:03 <Karen> George: I'll paste it in
16:20:22 <Karen> BillK: Many of the magazine publishers are in IDEAlliance, wondering if Karen's presentation had an immediate effect?
16:20:32 <Karen> Leslie: Following up on Tzviya's question about browser participation
16:20:37 <Karen> ...are there specific people identified?
16:20:45 <Karen> Tzviya: Garth is talking to people at Google
16:21:02 <Karen> ...Like George said, we are going to wait until after we have the first draft to solicit more interest
16:21:15 <Karen> ...Bill have been talking to people at Edge; I'm talking to people at Mozilla Firefox
16:21:26 <Karen> ...get more of an idea and wrap our hands around this
16:21:32 <Karen> ...If anyone has more contacts, let us know
16:21:40 <Karen> ...or reach out yourselves
16:21:50 <George> The magazine distributor is turn-page.com
16:22:42 <Karen> Paul: Other items on agenda
16:22:54 <Karen> ...besides update on EPUB for Education is Q3 priorities for the Business Group
16:23:07 <Karen> ...and reminder about Q4 and Steering Committee elections towards the end of the year
16:23:26 <Karen> ...part of that is over the course of the next several months, we should clarify the role of the Steering Committee, and whether it should continue at all
16:23:44 <Karen> ...one of the purposes of the BG was to sort out and make sure the existing CG activities as we form these new Working Groups
16:23:54 <Karen> ...and related entities that everything found a home that needed to find a home
16:23:59 <Karen> ...I think we accomplished that
16:24:14 <Karen> ...There was some discussion in SG meeting, about what is the most useful role that this BG can take on
16:24:19 <Karen> ...I think we want to discuss that aspect of it
16:24:32 <Karen> ...what does the group itself feel are the most useful functions it can perform
16:24:36 <Karen> ...We got some feedback from WG
16:24:52 <Karen> ...less strategic direction needed and more help needed with resources and communications
16:24:55 <Avneesh> q+
16:24:57 <Karen> Tzviya: yes
16:25:05 <cristina> q+
16:25:06 <Karen> Brian: This is a good time to be boots on the ground
16:25:13 <Karen> ...consistent with more comms and more frequent comms
16:25:18 <Karen> ...BISG can be more helpful
16:25:25 <Karen> ...We have dedicated one of our upcoming webinars
16:25:32 <Karen> ...Karen is going to share more information
16:25:50 <Karen> ...specific requests would be helpful; we can find a way to get things done
16:25:57 <Karen> Paul: Clarify on the work and who is doing it
16:26:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:26:11 <Karen> ...muster additional resources and manage comms as effectively as possible should be the primary goal
16:26:20 <Karen> George: Also, I believe the CG when they develop product
16:26:34 <Karen> ...the notion is that they would submit to Publishing BG for review and blessing/approval
16:26:43 <Karen> ...we could establish how that is going to work
16:26:48 <Karen> ...We anticipate an update to one of the specs
16:26:57 <Karen> ...what is the process to handle approval and the on-going marketing of that
16:27:00 <Karen> Paul: Good point
16:27:10 <Karen> ...seems to me an appropriate function for this group
16:27:13 <wolfgang> +1 George
16:27:15 <tzviya> q?
16:27:21 <cristina> q+
16:27:25 <Karen> ack Avneesh
16:27:27 <tzviya> ack av
16:27:34 <Karen> Avneesh: I would like to talk about point covered by George
16:27:38 <Karen> ...we need governance for the CG
16:27:49 <Karen> ...CG does not fall into the W3C process the way WG does
16:27:59 <Karen> ...Second thing is BG should be the interface at the grassroots level
16:28:06 <Karen> ...Specifications are done by technical experts
16:28:11 <Karen> ...who come from companies with resources
16:28:21 <Karen> ...but many small companies may not have resources to help develop specs
16:28:34 <Karen> ...so BG should become a feedback loop to communicate to and from
16:28:54 <Karen> ...and third to communicate with broader industry; the broader vision, keep groups on track
16:28:56 <Karen> ...that is all
16:28:59 <tzviya> https://w3c.github.io/publ-cg/ can be used by all groups
16:29:02 <Karen> Paul: Thank you
16:29:05 <Karen> ack Crisina
16:29:10 <Karen> ack Cristina
16:29:19 <Karen> Paul: I have to jump at 12:30pm now
16:29:23 <Karen> ...can you pick up chairing now?
16:29:27 <Karen> Cristina: OK
16:29:31 <Karen> Paul: I am going to drop now
16:29:38 <Karen> Cristina: can you hear me?
16:29:45 <garth> q?
16:29:47 <Karen> Cristina: A comment on the role of the group
16:30:03 <Karen> ...I believe we also need to be the driving point for the business requirements not only the technical requiremetns
16:30:09 <Karen> ...we need to prioritize the work of the WG
16:30:18 <Karen> ...and what is needed is to better understand the business needs
16:30:40 <Karen> ...possibility of digital publishing, the most relevant features right now
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16:30:51 <Karen> ...my impression in WG discussion is that it was a lot of technical stuff
16:31:03 <Karen> ...and difficult to understand the business advantages of some of the technical work
16:31:21 <tzviya> ack b
16:31:27 <Karen> ack Bill_Kasdorf
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16:31:36 <Karen> BillK: Two quick comments
16:31:40 <Karen> ...a lot of our communications
16:31:55 <Karen> ...we are talking about outward comms which is essential at this stage
16:32:12 <Karen> ...but we also should let publishing industry know that we are their vehicle for communicating with the W3C
16:32:22 <tzviya> +1
16:32:23 <Karen> ...that goes to the business issues that Cristina was just talking about
16:32:28 <Karen> ...we can be their voice in the W3C
16:32:32 <Karen> ...One concrete thing
16:32:38 <Karen> ...at BISG Content Structure Committee
16:32:40 <wolfgang> +1
16:32:54 <Karen> ...in response to Rick Johnson's sharing the shocking statistic of the persistence of EPUB2
16:33:09 <Karen> ...he is in a position to do that with Ingram's distribution of content to the supply chain
16:33:20 <Karen> ...the new EPUBs being submitted are still overwhelmingly EPUB2s
16:33:26 <Karen> ...Wonder if that is something BISG can do something
16:33:32 <Karen> ...we can do that in the US market with BISG
16:33:47 <Karen> ...but there are sister organizations in other countries, BIC, Booknet Canada, etc.
16:33:57 <Karen> ...W3C is inherently an international organization
16:34:04 <Karen> ...Probably the first step is research
16:34:21 <Karen> ...BISG is also working on promoting the transition from ONYX 2 to 3
16:34:23 <Karen> q+
16:34:36 <Karen> Cristina: Agree
16:34:41 <Karen> ...this is a topic where we can do more
16:34:46 <Karen> ...implementations of the standards
16:34:47 <tzviya> q?
16:34:53 <tzviya> ack k
16:34:53 <Karen> ack Karen
16:36:21 <Karen> Karen: W3C Offices can be helpful in getting these messages out. Brazil Office recently held a Publishing outreach event
16:36:28 <Karen> Cristina: We also can do more about HTML
16:36:45 <Karen> ...anyone else on the queue?
16:36:50 <Karen> ...Any other topics to discuss?
16:37:08 <Karen> ...Rick is needed for the other topics
16:37:20 <Karen> ...Any other updates?
16:37:26 <Karen> ...I could give an update on the ISO issue
16:37:32 <Karen> ...We were able to organize a call tomorrwo
16:37:38 <Karen> ...with one of people we asked to report
16:37:46 <Karen> ...After that I will send an update on what is going on
16:37:56 <Karen> ...We will have a wider idea after the summer break
16:38:32 <Karen> ...If no one else in queue, we can end our discussion today and wait for the next meeting?
16:38:46 <Karen> ...Ok.
16:39:01 <Karen> ...Let's close the call and wait for the next meeting after the summer break
16:39:09 <Karen> ...And then there is a Summit call on Friday
16:39:12 <Karen> ...Thank you everybody
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