W3C

WAI CC

24 May 2017

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Attendees

Present
MichaelC, Joanmarie_Diggs, Judy, janina, tzviya, George, AWK
Regrets
Chair
Judy
Scribe
MichaelC, Judy

Contents


<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

Confirm scribe, agenda, subsequent meeting date

next meeting is 7 June 2017

Milestones, publications, announcements check

<Judy> scribe: Judy

MC: similar to last time -- personalization -- as soon as possible
... cogn accessibility & user research, they needs more time.
... null delta for WCAG 2.1
... digipub accessiiblity accessibility api mappings, upcoming next, need to trigger ralph and plh to re-review it,
... got ralph's advice...

jb: personalization pending for how long?

mc: a while. it references user research and gap analysis
... joanmarie recommended decoupling them

TPAC, are people registering? Any additional info needed?

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to note that registration is not open

mc: registration is not open

we don´t even know what days of the week which groups will meet

jb: they want info about travel concerns

mc: people are making hotel reservations

though it took weeks to provide the info needed to do so

only know one person intending not to go because of location

a few others are maybes

gk: planning to go

jb: MC did you ask planners for info?

mc: several times, expect they hate me

jb: was expectation that registration would be open by now?

mc: no

Updates on WCAG 2.1 comments processing; update on Silver?

awk: have some SC finalizing their way through the pipe

none made it for the May publication but expect to have a few for June

jb: are you worried people will misunderstand why May pub didn´t happen?

awk: possible to misinterpret

jb: cleanup lots harder than proactive statement

awk: can update timeline

mc: and status wiki

awk: those are the same

jb: what about silver?

mc: information on Silver TF wiki

seems to be pretty current

they are on track at the moment

planning a draft prototype in time for next year´s CSUN

<AWK> +AWK

jb: where is that info for Mobile?

kw: mostly we´d point people to the related GitHub issues

jb: what about general info?

<AWK> (WCAG 2.1 timeline updated at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_timeline)

should update pages with old status ifno

and improve discoverability of status info

for many of the groups and tfs

ts: we do summaries of our meetings, not just minutes

which is really helpful

and really time consuming

gk: the time impact on one person saves time on other people

ts: but someone´s gotta do it

Updates on horizontal review approach; feedback on checklist?

jb: APA published self review checklist

http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist

hope this helps orients groups to potential issues

and kick-start issue identification

<Judy> scribe: Judy

MC: no comments on this yet. but, not sure that it's been announced and promoted yet.
... I talked with Ralph about the same questions.
... I wondered whether we need a similar presentation as Richard Ishida did for I18n.
... maybe brainstorm with I18n folks also.
... also wanted to explictly engage some of the staff contacts that we interact with frequently, and walk through.

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

jb: why not do to chairs as well?

mc: we were talking about existing Team channels

also discussing with Janina doing a TPAC topic about horizontal review

jb: that´s a ways off, think of how to engage

sooner

also, will people in CGs see this?

mc: can discuss with Ralph

don´t know what mechanism we have to draw CG attention

jb: +Coralie who does something with community group council

<George> WAI welcome wagon.

js: put a copy of the checklist on a CG page when the group is created

<Judy> +1 George...

jb: maybe make available in different places?

js: it´s new, we don´t even know how thorough and accurate it is

as we gain experience, we can be more comfortable pushing it

we hope it will structure ongoing communication

jb: sees joanie wonders if it could be added to the transition-to-cr process? (after much bikeshedding)

ts: think horizontal review shouldn´t be ¨review¨ but just incorporated procedures

<joanie> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/Process-20161109#candidate-rec

mc: I18N have ability to take their checklist and turn into a GH issue where you can check away on checkboxes

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to oppose multiple copies, but to note I18N approach

jb: horizontal review expected to be dealt with by the time of ¨wide review¨

which is a prerequisite for CR transition

<Judy> https://www.w3.org/Guide/Charter.html#horizontal-review

this has been there a few years, but groups not taking up consistently

MC should follow up

https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview

<Judy> https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview#TL.3BDR:

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-review-announce/

mc: DocumentReview page has the info, and PLH is increasingly pushing that those steps have been done

and reviews are more frequently announced on public-review-announce

though in both cases, sometimes with too light a hand or not much real lead time

is the 2 implementations requirement addressed for a11y?

jb: no explicit requirement that one implementation get tested for accessibility, but there every feature of a spec including any specific accessibility features, must be directly tested.

this came up notably in EME recently

there were a11y-impacting features that hadn´t been tested

we eventually found out a11y wasn´t being destroyed

but it hadn´t been tested

mc: EME testing was just insufficient testing, and it´s easy to overlook that

AAMs are part of our strategy for pushing more a11y testing

<Judy> [jb: disagrees that EME testing was just insufficient testing; but at this point, it has been covered]

also APA trying to push accessibility impacts sections which call out which features have a11y impacts

which would then indicate testing need

jb: suggest APA collect data on completeness / usefulness of FAST checklist

ask some groups to use it and give feedback

so you feel more confident, so we can be comfortable to promote it, so there´s less review burden later

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say EME testing was just insufficient testing, and it´s easy to overlook that and to see AAMs are part of our strategy for pushing more a11y testing

APA upcoming technical review needs; suggestions to join

jb: APA needs to review specs

which requires a team of people with diverse skills

over time there is attrition, so need to rotate new people in

what technologies need to review in next 3 - 6 months?

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Technologies

mc: CSS, HTML, Web Payments, Web of Things, Security

jb: who do you know good in those areas?

ts: some PDFa people may be interested in security in a11y

<George> What about people who are at universities that are getting involved with accessibility?

Coordination on digital publishing accessibility work

jb: urgent priorities for DPub A11Y?

Updates on some charters under review or discussion

jb: SVG moving along again

mc: note they propose moving ARIA deliverables out of their group

jd: ARIA chairs willing to accept this

<Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2017May/0009.html

https://github.com/w3c/strategy/milestone/1

mc: charters needing review in above link

WebVR likely a11y interest

Dom was proactive in engaging us

need to close the loop

<Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2017May/0010.html

mc: ^not on our radar afaict

Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?

jb: anything?

Any other business?

gk: In discussion with IMS we were noting that now that use of text to speech is increasing more beyond the blindness community, we're finding less tolerance of mispronunciations. We believe there's a need for better standardization of read-aloud pronunciation, and that W3C WAI might be suited for that. What do you think.

jb: Sounds relevant for the "Strategy Funnel". Can you send follow up to wai-cc

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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