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18:27:10 <Judy> agenda?
18:28:01 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm scribe, agenda, subsequent meeting date
18:28:01 <Judy> agenda+ Milestones, publications, announcements check
18:28:01 <Judy> agenda+ TPAC, are people registering? Any additional info needed?
18:28:01 <Judy> agenda+ Updates on WCAG 2.1 comments processing; update on Silver?
18:28:01 <Judy> agenda+ Updates on horizontal review approach; feedback on checklist?
18:28:04 <Judy> agenda+ APA upcoming technical review needs; suggestions to join
18:28:06 <Judy> agenda+ Coordination on digital publishing accessibility work
18:28:08 <Judy> agenda+ Updates on some charters under review or discussion
18:28:10 <Judy> agenda+ Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?
18:28:12 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
18:32:53 <Judy> Judy has changed the topic to: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mc4856957289cfcafe16f360757a62dda
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18:34:22 <MichaelC> present+
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18:35:32 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
18:36:09 <Judy> present+ Judy
18:36:16 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:36:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
18:36:21 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:36:21 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Judy
18:36:24 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
18:36:29 <Judy> chair: Judy
18:36:37 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:36:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirm scribe, agenda, subsequent meeting date" taken up [from Judy]
18:37:12 <MichaelC> next meeting is 7 June 2017
18:37:20 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:37:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, MichaelC
18:37:24 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
18:37:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:37:25 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:37:25 <Zakim> 2. Milestones, publications, announcements check [from Judy]
18:37:26 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:37:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Milestones, publications, announcements check" taken up [from Judy]
18:37:31 <Judy> scribe: Judy
18:37:48 <Judy> MC: similar to last time -- personalization -- as soon as possible
18:38:09 <Judy> ...cogn accessibility & user research, they needs more time.
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18:38:19 <Judy> ...null delta for WCAG 2.1
18:39:05 <Judy> ...digipub accessiiblity accessibility api mappings, upcoming next, need to trigger ralph and plh to re-review it,
18:39:34 <Judy> ...got ralph's advice...
18:40:00 <Judy> jb: personalization pending for how long?
18:40:15 <Judy> mc: a while. it references user research and gap analysis
18:40:30 <Judy> ...joanmarie recommended decoupling them
18:41:09 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:41:09 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC, are people registering? Any additional info needed?" taken up [from Judy]
18:41:24 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
18:41:45 <MichaelC> q+ to note that registration is not open
18:42:06 <MichaelC> ack me
18:42:06 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to note that registration is not open
18:42:11 <MichaelC> mc: registration is not open
18:42:21 <MichaelC> we don´t even know what days of the week which groups will meet
18:42:41 <MichaelC> jb: they want info about travel concerns
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18:43:34 <janina> present+
18:43:51 <MichaelC> mc: people are making hotel reservations
18:44:02 <MichaelC> though it took weeks to provide the info needed to do so
18:44:14 <MichaelC> only know one person intending not to go because of location
18:44:21 <MichaelC> a few others are maybes
18:44:31 <MichaelC> gk: planning to go
18:45:01 <MichaelC> jb: MC did you ask planners for info?
18:45:07 <MichaelC> mc: several times, expect they hate me
18:45:41 <MichaelC> jb: was expectation that registration would be open by now?
18:45:43 <MichaelC> mc: no
18:45:48 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:45:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Updates on WCAG 2.1 comments processing; update on Silver?" taken up [from Judy]
18:45:49 <Judy> agenda?
18:47:15 <MichaelC> awk: have some SC finalizing their way through the pipe
18:47:32 <MichaelC> none made it for the May publication but expect to have a few for June
18:47:50 <MichaelC> jb: are you worried people will misunderstand why May pub didn´t happen?
18:48:08 <MichaelC> awk: possible to misinterpret
18:48:20 <MichaelC> jb: cleanup lots harder than proactive statement
18:48:51 <MichaelC> awk: can update timeline
18:48:51 <MichaelC> mc: and status wiki
18:49:53 <MichaelC> awk: those are the same
18:50:14 <MichaelC> jb: what about silver?
18:50:26 <tzviya> present+
18:52:27 <MichaelC> mc: information on Silver TF wiki
18:52:32 <MichaelC> seems to be pretty current
18:52:36 <MichaelC> they are on track at the moment
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18:52:59 <MichaelC> planning a draft prototype in time for next year´s CSUN
18:53:06 <George> present+ George
18:53:19 <AWK> +AWK
18:53:35 <MichaelC> jb: where is that info for Mobile?
18:53:53 <MichaelC> kw: mostly we´d point people to the related GitHub issues
18:53:59 <MichaelC> jb: what about general info?
18:55:02 <AWK> (WCAG 2.1 timeline updated at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_timeline)
18:55:35 <MichaelC> should update pages with old status ifno
18:55:42 <MichaelC> and improve discoverability of status info
18:55:57 <MichaelC> for many of the groups and tfs
18:56:20 <tzviya> q+
18:57:04 <MichaelC> ts: we do summaries of our meetings, not just minutes
18:57:06 <MichaelC> which is really helpful
18:57:09 <MichaelC> and really time consuming
18:57:33 <MichaelC> gk: the time impact on one person saves time on other people
18:57:39 <MichaelC> ts: but someone´s gotta do it
18:58:08 <Judy> agenda?
18:58:11 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:58:12 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MichaelC
18:58:15 <MichaelC> q?
18:58:16 <MichaelC> ack t
18:58:18 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:58:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Updates on horizontal review approach; feedback on checklist?" taken up [from Judy]
18:58:59 <MichaelC> jb: APA published self review checklist
18:59:08 <MichaelC> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/checklist
18:59:41 <MichaelC> hope this helps orients groups to potential issues
18:59:50 <MichaelC> and kick-start issue identification
19:00:17 <Judy> scribe: Judy
19:00:37 <Judy> MC: no comments on this yet. but, not sure that it's been announced and promoted yet.
19:00:53 <Judy> ...I talked with Ralph about the same questions.
19:01:18 <Judy> ...I wondered whether we need a similar presentation as Richard Ishida did for I18n.
19:01:30 <Judy> ...maybe brainstorm with I18n folks also.
19:01:59 <Judy> ...also wanted to explictly engage some of the staff contacts that we interact with frequently, and walk through.
19:02:31 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
19:02:38 <MichaelC> jb: why not do to chairs as well?
19:03:57 <MichaelC> mc: we were talking about existing Team channels
19:04:11 <MichaelC> also discussing with Janina doing a TPAC topic about horizontal review
19:04:28 <MichaelC> jb: that´s a ways off, think of how to engage
19:04:31 <MichaelC> sooner
19:04:41 <MichaelC> also, will people in CGs see this?
19:06:26 <MichaelC> mc: can discuss with Ralph
19:06:40 <MichaelC> don´t know what mechanism we have to draw CG attention
19:07:01 <MichaelC> jb: +Coralie who does something with community group council
19:07:12 <George> WAI welcome wagon.
19:07:19 <MichaelC> js: put a copy of the checklist on a CG page when the group is created
19:07:32 <Judy> +1 George...
19:08:34 <MichaelC> jb: maybe make available in different places?
19:08:44 <MichaelC> js: it´s new, we don´t even know how thorough and accurate it is
19:08:50 <tzviya> q+
19:09:07 <MichaelC> as we gain experience, we can be more comfortable pushing it
19:09:11 <MichaelC> q+
19:09:27 <MichaelC> q+ to oppose multiple copies, but to note I18N approach
19:09:55 <MichaelC> we hope it will structure ongoing communication
19:10:18 <MichaelC> jb: sees joanie wonders if it could be added to the transition-to-cr process? (after much bikeshedding)
19:10:21 <MichaelC> ack t
19:10:44 <MichaelC> ts: think horizontal review shouldn´t be ¨review¨ but just incorporated procedures
19:10:51 <Judy> q+
19:11:11 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/Process-20161109#candidate-rec
19:12:26 <MichaelC> mc: I18N have ability to take their checklist and turn into a GH issue where you can check away on checkboxes
19:12:30 <MichaelC> ack me
19:12:30 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to oppose multiple copies, but to note I18N approach
19:12:32 <MichaelC> ack j
19:12:55 <MichaelC> jb: horizontal review expected to be dealt with by the time of ¨wide review¨
19:13:06 <MichaelC> which is a prerequisite for CR transition
19:13:09 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/Guide/Charter.html#horizontal-review
19:13:23 <MichaelC> q+
19:14:16 <MichaelC> this has been there a few years, but groups not taking up consistently
19:14:22 <MichaelC> MC should follow up
19:14:36 <MichaelC> ack me
19:14:48 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview
19:15:19 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview#TL.3BDR:
19:16:04 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-review-announce/
19:16:51 <MichaelC> mc: DocumentReview page has the info, and PLH is increasingly pushing that those steps have been done
19:17:01 <MichaelC> and reviews are more frequently announced on public-review-announce
19:17:05 <George> q+
19:17:19 <MichaelC> though in both cases, sometimes with too light a hand or not much real lead time
19:17:20 <MichaelC> ack g
19:17:20 <Judy> agenda?
19:17:44 <MichaelC> is the 2 implementations requirement addressed for a11y?
19:17:50 <MichaelC> q+
19:17:56 <MichaelC> jb: no explicit requirement
19:18:29 <MichaelC> this came up notably in EME recently
19:18:57 <MichaelC> there were a11y-impacting features that hadn´t been tested
19:19:26 <MichaelC> q+ to say EME testing was just insufficient testing, and it´s easy to overlook that
19:19:36 <MichaelC> q+ to see AAMs are part of our strategy for pushing more a11y testing
19:19:56 <MichaelC> we eventually found out a11y wasn´t being destroyed
19:20:03 <MichaelC> but it hadn´t been tested
19:21:51 <Judy> s/no explicit requirement/no explicit requirement that one implementation get tested for accessibility, but there every feature of a spec including any specific accessibility features, must be directly tested./
19:22:18 <MichaelC> mc: EME testing was just insufficient testing, and it´s easy to overlook that
19:22:25 <MichaelC> AAMs are part of our strategy for pushing more a11y testing
19:23:31 <Judy> [jb: disagrees that EME testing was just insufficient testing; but at this point, it has been covered]
19:23:33 <MichaelC> also APA trying to push accessibility impacts sections which call out which features have a11y impacts
19:23:52 <MichaelC> which would then indicate testing need
19:24:40 <MichaelC> jb: suggest APA collect data on completeness / usefulness of FAST checklist
19:24:44 <MichaelC> ask some groups to use it and give feedback
19:25:12 <MichaelC> so you feel more confident, so we can be comfortable to promote it, so there´s less review burden later
19:25:14 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:25:14 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MichaelC
19:25:17 <MichaelC> q?
19:25:18 <MichaelC> ack me
19:25:19 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say EME testing was just insufficient testing, and it´s easy to overlook that and to see AAMs are part of our strategy for pushing more a11y testing
19:25:20 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:25:21 <Zakim> agendum 6. "APA upcoming technical review needs; suggestions to join" taken up [from Judy]
19:25:48 <MichaelC> jb: APA needs to review specs
19:25:55 <MichaelC> which requires a team of people with diverse skills
19:26:08 <MichaelC> over time there is attrition, so need to rotate new people in
19:26:29 <MichaelC> what technologies need to review in next 3 - 6 months?
19:26:59 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Technologies
19:27:49 <MichaelC> mc: CSS, HTML, Web Payments, Web of Things, Security
19:28:05 <MichaelC> jb: who do you know good in those areas?
19:28:33 <tzviya> q+
19:28:40 <MichaelC> ack t
19:28:53 <MichaelC> ts: some PDFa people may be interested in security in a11y
19:30:29 <George> What about people who are at universities that are getting involved with accessibility?
19:31:23 <Judy> agenda?
19:31:33 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:31:33 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Coordination on digital publishing accessibility work" taken up [from Judy]
19:32:11 <MichaelC> jb: urgent priorities for DPub A11Y?
19:32:40 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
19:32:40 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
19:32:41 <MichaelC> jb: urgent priorities for DPub A11Y?
19:32:42 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:32:42 <Zakim> 8. Updates on some charters under review or discussion [from Judy]
19:32:45 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:32:45 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Updates on some charters under review or discussion" taken up [from Judy]
19:33:00 <MichaelC> s/jb: urgent priorities for DPub A11Y?//
19:33:07 <MichaelC> jb: SVG moving along again
19:34:24 <MichaelC> mc: note they propose moving ARIA deliverables out of their group
19:36:16 <MichaelC> jd: ARIA chairs willing to accept this
19:37:39 <MichaelC> q+
19:37:45 <Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2017May/0009.html
19:37:55 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/milestone/1
19:39:10 <MichaelC> mc: charters needing review in above link
19:39:16 <MichaelC> WebVR likely a11y interest
19:39:21 <MichaelC> Dom was proactive in engaging us
19:39:25 <MichaelC> need to close the loop
19:41:16 <Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2017May/0010.html
19:41:27 <Judy> agenda?
19:42:05 <MichaelC> mc: ^not on our radar afaict
19:42:07 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:42:07 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MichaelC
19:42:10 <MichaelC> q?
19:42:11 <MichaelC> ack me
19:42:17 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:42:17 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Announcements, topics, reviews for WAI IG?" taken up [from Judy]
19:42:19 <MichaelC> jb: anything?
19:42:22 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
19:42:22 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
19:42:23 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
19:42:23 <Zakim> 10. Any other business? [from Judy]
19:42:25 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:42:25 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:47:59 <MichaelC> gk: something big that the scribe didn´t capture
19:48:13 <MichaelC> jb: can you send follow up to wai-cc
19:50:56 <Judy> s/something big that the scribe didn´t capture/In discussion with IMS we were noting that now that use of text to speech is increasing more beyond the blindness community, we're finding less tolerance of mispronunciations. We believe there's a need for better standardization of read-aloud pronunciation, and that W3C WAI might be suited for that. What do you think.
19:51:28 <Judy> s/can you send/Sounds relevant for the "Strategy Funnel". Can you send/
22:06:43 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
22:06:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-waicc-minutes.html MichaelC
22:06:50 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
22:06:50 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, Joanmarie_Diggs, Judy, janina, tzviya, George, AWK
22:06:50 <Zakim> Zakim has left #waicc
22:07:25 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
22:07:28 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
22:07:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-waicc-minutes.html MichaelC
22:08:29 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
22:08:33 <MichaelC> meeting: WAI CC
22:08:38 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
22:08:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-waicc-minutes.html MichaelC
22:08:40 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
22:08:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items