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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

06 Apr 2017

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Attendees

Present
Addison, Steven, Richard, Jan, Nelson, JcK, Fantasai, r12a
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison

Contents


trackbot, prepare teleconference

<scribe> ScribeNick: addison

Agenda

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-607?

<trackbot> action-607 -- Richard Ishida to Publish approaches to full justification as an article -- due 2017-04-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/607

close action-607

<trackbot> Closed action-607.

Info Share

richard: w3c is working on publishing a slightly updated version of 4 courses
... css intro, html+css intro, intermed html parts I and II
... make suggestions on them
... fifth course intro to javascript
... will review that as well
... going through text decoration tests and changing them a fair bit
... need fine tuning after "mass productions"
... havent sent to web platform tests yet
... or commited them yet

<fantasai> np, WPT just imported csswg-tests, having a week to settle is not bad :)

jck: X.509 certs want to include internationalized domain names and emails
... still a work in progress
... URN doc has been approved and awaits pub
... thinking of revision of email standards like IMAP

<r12a> JEPA talk http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1703-jleq/

<r12a> chinese version at http://www.typeisbeautiful.com/2017/03/11613/

richard: my talk now available
... see above

Radar

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

<r12a> https://twitter.com/r12a/status/798151134963757056

richard: ARIA reviewed. No comments needed. Move to "review completed"

fantasai: writing-modes is more or less done
... text decoration

richard: status of text decor 3

?

fantasai: need to make edits that were resolved, get feedback from i18n
... gets republished as CR

richard: when?

fantasai: 3 weeks??

richard: need to request review

fantasai: did do
... re-sending to www-international the list of things we need

<fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2016OctDec/0145.html

Encoding commits

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/encoding/commits

Proposal from HTML WG to remove ruby from HTML spec

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/291

richard: this is an issue about something different
... someone realized that rbc wasn't in html5
... they discussed in their f2f
... recommendation from chaals was remove ruby from html5!
... richard required smelling salts

<fantasai> “Having read that, I cried for an hour, and then picked myself up off the floor and wrote back”

richard: need something to replace it before removing it
... need a content model, not just syntax
... to also cover things like WebVTT and TTML2
... content model, think about things like rbc, nested syntax for double-sided
... I might argue against it
... it being nested
... that's my point of view
... chaals wrote back to say "just a proposal"

(discussion ensues)

fantasai: don't have opinion on where, only how
... just so long as destination is correct

richard: don't move until you have something to replace, don't leave for 1.5 years with *no* ruby spec

fantasai: can update ruby annotation with note to say "not being maintained"

richard: problem is that we don't have a target to point to
... extension spec for html and content model for html
... which might keep nested
... but want to get to a replacement for ruby annotation spec
... use tabular instead of interleaved
... syntax for html in extension spec go look at X
... webvtt look at Y
... which they are asking about

addison: ruby annotation 2

richard: please don't remove ruby from html until we have something ready
... 2. if thinking of taking text out we would want to check it first
... (out meaning into another doc)
... 3. thinking of a ruby2 that is only a content model
... won't replace the extension spec
... 4. please indicate in ruby extension spec that it's inside html

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to chaals and HTML indicating our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-609 - Write to chaals and html indicating our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in html [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-04-13].

<scribe> ACTION: richard: start working on what a new version or update for ruby annotation would look like [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-610 - Start working on what a new version or update for ruby annotation would look like [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-04-13].

Closing issues

addison: will agendize these as closed next week if no one says "hey, wait a minute..."

AOB?

<r12a> s/Jan, Nelson/Jan Nelson/

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to chaals and HTML indicating our preferences (see minutes) regarding handling of ruby in html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: start working on what a new version or update for ruby annotation would look like [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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