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Unifying RRR

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0005.html

Erik: We discussed recently the question of whether we were too proscriptive about RRR operations
... I do not think there are real use cases for having all three as separate actions
... in the few cases we need it, we always write all 3 in a sequence
... My proposal is to introduce "update" that combines all three.
... there is a twist.
... you wouldn't want a complete rebuild for every tiny change to a model
... There is a use-case for an operation to force a rebuild.
... it wouldn't change anything in the spec. Just a higher-level way to do what is already possible

Steven: I'm a bit divided on this: on the one hand it's an edge case, which we don't really want to make harder; on the other hand it's true that the only (one) time I have used RRR, it has been all three in a sequence, and so this makes it slightly easier to use.

Alain: I don't really have any use-cases for it

Erik: I'm not saying we necessarily want to do this, but it is a nice to have.

Steven: Following on from last week's call, I added one line to the spec: "Although rebuild, recalculate, revalidate, and refresh are described as separate steps, since they always occur in sequence implementations are at liberty to combine them into a lesser number of steps."
... to give implementors more freedom oin how they implement.

<ebruchez> we can't

Steven: Let's think about it more, and let it sink in and we can come back to it.

References and dependencies/Dynamic dependencies

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0023.html

Steven: We postponed this to let people read. Any comments yet?

Philip: No comments from me.

Erik: I still need to do this.

Serialization as multipart/related

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0022.html

Steven: I still haven't done.

Output to the user

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0026.html

Steven: Unless anybody has got comments on this now, I'll put this off to a future call as well.

AOB

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