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13:58:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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13:58:36 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:58:36 <trackbot> Date: 08 March 2017
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13:58:53 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:58:59 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0006
13:59:09 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0006
14:04:21 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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14:05:39 <Steven> Present+Philip
14:05:43 <Steven> Topic: Summertime
14:05:43 <Steven> [Reminder: next week for two weeks, call is an hour earlier in Europe]
14:05:58 <Steven> Topic: Unifying RRR
14:05:58 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0005.html
14:06:55 <Steven> Erik: We discussed recently the question of whether we were too proscriptive about RRR operations
14:07:53 <Steven> ... I do not think there are real use cases for having all three as separate actions
14:08:27 <Steven> ... in the few cases we need it, we allways write all 3 in a sequence
14:08:35 <Steven> s/allw/alw/
14:09:13 <Steven> Erik: My proposal is to introduce "update" that combines all three.
14:10:36 <Steven> ... there is a twist.
14:11:24 <Steven> ... you wouldn;t want a complete rebuild for every tiny change to a model
14:11:31 <Steven> s/;t/'t/
14:12:19 <Steven> Erik: There is a use-case for an operation to force a rebuild.
14:13:11 <Steven> ... it wouldn't change anything in the spec. Just a higher-level way to do what is already possible
14:16:42 <Steven> Steven: I'm a bit divided on this: on the one hand it's an edge case, which we don't really want to make harder; on the other hand it's true that the only (one) time I have used RRR, it has been all three in a sequence, and so this makes it slightly easier to use.
14:17:05 <Steven> Alain: I don't really have any use-cases for it
14:19:36 <Steven> Erik: I'm not saying we necessarily want to do this, but it is a nice to have.
14:21:38 <Steven> Steven: Following on from last week's call, I added one line to the spec: "Although rebuild, recalculate, revalidate, and refresh are described as separate steps, since they always occur in sequence implementations are at liberty to combine them into a lesser number of steps."
14:22:32 <Steven> ... to give implementors more freedom oin how they implement.
14:23:30 <ebruchez> we can't
14:25:26 <Steven> Steven: Let's think about it more, and let it sink in and we can come back to it.
14:25:36 <Steven> Topic: References and dependencies/Dynamic dependencies
14:25:36 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0023.html
14:25:54 <Steven> Steven: We postponed this to let people read. Any comments yet?
14:26:34 <Steven> Philip: No comments from me.
14:26:40 <Steven> Erik: I still need to do this.
14:26:55 <Steven> Topic: Serialization as multipart/related
14:26:55 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0022.html
14:27:05 <Steven> Steven: I still haven't done.
14:27:14 <Steven> Topic: Output to the user
14:27:14 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Feb/0026.html
14:27:40 <Steven> Steven: Unless anybody has got comments on this now, I'll put this off to a future call as well.
14:27:53 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:28:00 <Steven> [None]
14:28:06 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:28:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:28:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/03/08-forms-minutes.html Steven
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