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jb: Any comments on the
agenda/
... Perhaps CSUN
jb; Notes reorg began this week.
jb: Our WAI work is now
distributed across W3C
... Everyone is still figuring out how the details work
best
... Major concern is to make sure nothing falls between the
cracks, and that people are clear where to go to ask
questions
rs: Many good things
happened
... Top item was a positive CSS Task Force discussion with
CSS.
... We need a Facilitator, but have Editors
... Also agreed to use media queries for user preferences --
agreement to prototype
... Have first beta of an automated test harness for ARIA. We
can now test in under a minute
... Demo on Linux, but will also support other platforms.
Everyone very excited and working together
... This will speed up our CR
... Want to test before CR, so as to know if anything at
risk
... Also met with Web Components, who are in favor with ARIA
taking on HTML semantics, so they don't have to use HTML
elements
... That's a significant about face--but we like it
... Reorienting to quicker releases with fewer features per
release
... Also agreement on an accessibility API -- the AOM
... Only negative item is where/how with SVG going forward
jb: Did see test harness and very
impressed
... Wondering whether UAAG features could be tested with the
harness
... Seems the harness might be repurposable, and wondering
about other groups taking advantage
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on the automated test harness
rs: Current harness designed to
communicate with Accessibility APIs
... IBM has code that could help Shadi's work -- content in
browser
<Judy> [Judy started to look back through the uaag requirements with Joannie and it may be much more automatible than we thought]
rs: So maybe a different tool
than the harness for some of the other testing
... Looking into it
<shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Testing_Resources
sa: Looked at what other groups are doing, and very eager to get input that we can build on
<shadi> JS: APA hardly had time for themselves
<shadi> ...met with many others
<Judy> Janina: APA spent almost all of its time in cross-group meetings. Horizontal review discussion was particularly helpful.
<shadi> ...also with I18N on horizontal reviews
<shadi> ...got some technical solutions towards the end though
<shadi> ...need more discussion needed
<Judy> ...may have gotten a solution on part of the issue, Shane may have added something to respec
<shadi> ...let Wendy Seltzer aware of that need
<Judy> ...and we discussed how to deal with APIs in reviews of those
<shadi> ...need good implementations among device drivers
jb: Believes Dpub needs good testing
mc: ARIA test harness probably
not appropriate to Dpub, because it's aimed at AAPIs.
... Is designed to work with the test suite, so parts may be
adaptable
ts: Discussed with Shane who is considering how to approach the problem
jb; Asking about Silver
mc: Fair amount of time looking
at success criteria with task forces, esp for COGA
... That lead to more discussion of what 2.1 might be
... Ended in a major discussion of whether or not to do
incremental, and even timed releases
... Majority appears to favor
... Subgroup had been exploring how to approach the work, and
maybe how to design the product
... Fairly strong consensus that leads to flexible Silver --
adaptable to situations and technologies
... Expect the Silver work may become a Task Force
... We would still want to work in parallel on Silver and
2.x
jb: Concerned to keep a balance that gets work out without too much delay and keeps people engaged
ls: Believe 2.1 could be
huge
... Suggest we might want to revisit the single, double A AA
more rigoursly
ak: Think flexibility was more
around process than what we end up with
... As opposed to flexibility of the guidelines produced
... Thought we do want flexible guidelines
... Probably better to say they're format independent
jb: Seems there's enough for good updates to WAI-IG
jb: So far much positive feedback on this TPAC, but also on the venue
<MichaelC> TPAC survey
janina: Lunch room was far too noisy, and it was a problem
<Lisa> i am on the q
janina: EO interested in the MAUR
alternate media for tooling and user agent development
... Also, possibly RQTF for autonomous vehicles
jb: Need to check APA charter for scope of RQTF work [and then check RQTF work statement]
ls: Noting we've been unable to
successfully use the wiki, other tools, and have concerns about
heightened security of these
... One of our participants had major inability to navigate
jb: Maybe digital signage?
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say wiki issues probably addressable with extensions; need to sort the process of getting those installed and to ask more about github
mc: Believe wiki problems could
be addressed by extensions, these exist but would need to get
them accepted
... Not recalling COGA github problem?
ls: That you need to learn a new
language -- push, pull, etc
... github a challenege for anyone with language issues
jb: Probably need to take this up on several levels -- e.g. have other groups learn how to accomodate users with disability related issues with the tools
jb: Probably sound like a broken
record on this, but it's important to check this
... I continue to hear that people are having trouble finding
info
mc: Notes a flurry of updates before TPAC, but may be more to do
<Lisa> should me discuss csun because the deadline is pending
janina: Notes that I asked EO to help us keep our pages updated in a general way
jb: Could also help WAI-IG
ak: It would be helpful if people other than team contacts could do the updates
<Judy> JB will talk with EOWG about a set of questions to check discoverability of accessibility of things on site
jb: Should be easy, but isn't in practice. There is some retooling that may help
jb: Notes that publication is now
under PLH
... Any upcoming pubs?
mc: Still trying to get
Understanding WCAG and Techniques published -- loops through
Systems not helping
... Beyond that several COGA docs approved, and may now need
updated approvals
... COGA would be FPWD
jb: Understand a backlog of pubs, and should coord in announcements
mc: CSS TF
janina: We will decide soon on a Facilitator from APA/ARIA, then we need a major announcement on this
jb: Notes CSUN deadline is Tuesday
sa: One coming on Mobile
sa; Also Accessibility Conformance Testing
ls: Will try to put in for
COGA
... Expect there will be draft of WCAG 2.1 that contain lots of
new success criteria, so expect to need to discuss that
jb: Sounds helpful to hear, but
also the relationship between COGA and WCAG
... Anything else today?
mc: Suggest a CSUN paper on WCAG 2.1
jb: Believe that's important
mc: Also perhaps a session on evolving procedue of embedding accessibility in general W3C working groups
jb: Anyone else?
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to suggest 1st and 3rd wed for WAI, 2nd and 4th for WAI CC, skip 5th wed
mc: Suggesting second and fourth Wednesday schedule, rather than every other week
jb: Asking who's affected by Yom Kippur
Tzviya, Lisa ...
jb: Anyone objecting to the
pattern Michael proposed
... For now, October meetings will be 12 & 26
... Any objections?
[crickets]
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