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Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

15 Sep 2016

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Attendees

Present
Kathy
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chriscm

Contents


<patrick_h_lauke> running a few mins late be right there

<patrick_h_lauke> M1 - https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/SCs/m1.md

<patrick_h_lauke> TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/

TPAC

<patrick_h_lauke> correction on the second link - it should be https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/SCs/m3.md

<Kim> Kathy: hour and a half session – overview so people can see the whole

M1

<patrick_h_lauke> https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/SCs/m1.md

kim: How do you feel about the text for M1?

Kathy: looks good

Patrick: Very high level, of course things will work with pointer.

<patrick_h_lauke> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#keyboard-operation

Patrick: Only interested in actual functionality than how the person is moving the pointer.

Kathy: The SC text "for instance" should be in the description.
... We prbably want a link to glossary terms.

Kim: Under description it says "ToDo". (Patrick: that will be removed)
... remove the word "situations"

Marc: Do we need specific timings, or is that not applicable?
... All functionality can be operated by pointer inputs without specific timings?

Patrick: I talk about the timing stuff in M3, which is Pointer Gestures. Probably not necessary to add it here as well.

Kathy: Benefits, no assistive devices that mimic mouse input, and not just keyboard input.
... Anything not usable with mouse would actually be blocked on such an AT.

Marc: Also under benefits, helps users of devices without a physical keyboard.

Kim: Right now it's "Ensuring that all functionality can be used by pointer input"

Kim/Patrick: [ Interesting editorial discussion ]

Kim: Testability looks good to me, any comments...

Kathy: I think the stuff you have in brackets should be put in as a note or a technique.

Kim: Is this one set?

Marc: Do we need to find justification/evidence? The benefit is clear, do we need supporting evidence?

Kathy: If we need it, we have it.

Kim: We could say: " According to direct experience of those in the group"

<Kathy> http://www.rehabmart.com/product/adapted-wireless-computer-mouse-interface-40391.html?gclid=COSB7evXkc8CFYpkhgodgz0FNQ

Kathy: There were some devices that were no longer mimicking keyboard events, but mouse pointer events.

<patrick_h_lauke> https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/SCs/template.md

<marcjohlic> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/wiki/Proposals-for-new-Success-Criteria

Patrick: we could write something very generic, like "this is obvious" or "from our experience"

Kim: I think it is useful to have an example so it's "picturable"
... What would an example be?

Patrick: You can't summon the iOS Keybaord at an arbitrary point, you have to be in an editable text field.

Kim: There's a user that uses an onscreen keyboard, what would cause a user to be stuck?

Patrick: They can't ask for the onscreen keyboard, so if events are relied on to happen in a specific way to focus elements, and the onscreen keyboard isn't requested, they couldn't get the keyboard attached to the screen.

Kim: Could you add a specific example where if this wasn't done, this wouldn't be accessible.
... Any other comments on this?

M3 https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/blob/gh-pages/SCs/m3.md

<patrick_h_lauke> Kim: as many people left, maybe we take a high level view

<patrick_h_lauke> and raise it next time

<patrick_h_lauke> Kim: question: if one is pointer and one pointer gestures is this going to be confusing?

<patrick_h_lauke> I guess this is a Q for Jeanne

<patrick_h_lauke> Jeanne: one-word short handles is a problem, but WCAG WG doesn't agree with me

<patrick_h_lauke> that's something the WG will debate

<patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: for context, the previous SC (M1) generically says "must work with a pointer", this one (M3) goes further and says "but also don't require precise/timed gestures"

<patrick_h_lauke> Jeanne: both are at Level A, so that may be a problem, but we'll leave that discussion for the WG

<patrick_h_lauke> Kim: so M3 means "NO pointer gestures"

<patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: agree, changing to "NO pointer gestures" makes this clearer

<patrick_h_lauke> Kim: the notes currently in the SC Text would make good examples for the Description if expanded upon

<patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: removing the TODO bits, which shows me that I actually need to generate some benefits and testability

<patrick_h_lauke> so more content writing required here

<patrick_h_lauke> [high-level discussion, minor tweaks, need to cross-reference this with the "Touch with AT" SC to make sure this is clearly exempted]

<patrick_h_lauke> Patrick: by the way, all SCs already reviewed by the group (as per wiki) are now also in GitHub https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension/tree/gh-pages/SCs

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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