W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

21 Jul 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Felix, Richard, Francesco, David
Regrets
Steve
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip

Contents


Agenda

 

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-536?

<trackbot> action-536 -- Richard Ishida to Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/536

richard: a couple of weeks yet; may want to get yet another title

action-537?

<trackbot> action-537 -- Addison Phillips to File bugs against failing browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the encoding issues -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/537

addison: done

close action-537

<trackbot> Closed action-537.

action-539?

<trackbot> action-539 -- Addison Phillips to Write an email objecting to lack of i18n review and review coordination and pointing out that there are issues that should be addressed -- due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/539

close action-539

<trackbot> Closed action-539.

action-540?

<trackbot> action-540 -- Addison Phillips to Forward dwbp issue reformulation to richard this afternoon (14 jul) -- due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/540

<scribe> done

close action-540

<trackbot> Closed action-540.

richard: let's talk about it later

Info Share

group welcomes new member Francesco

francesco: from italy, florence
... web communications manager
... very interested in w3c, getting involved

richard: news that we have two other new members

lina from IBM in Israel

scribe: interested HLREQ

barry leiba from Huawei

they are not on call today

richard: tpac is approaching

(please register asap)

(book hotel and such)

Sign up for TPAC! https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/

richard: firefox has implemented isolate override as default for <bdo>

<r12a> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/50#HTML

Radar

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/

richard: phil submitted a new one
... maybe a transreq

felix: already on the list

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

richard: meeting about egyptian hieroglyphs
... went there
... how it works in unicode
... mailing list on it. let me know if you want info
... language is very graphic
... script combines in two dimentional arrangements
... different in vertical and horizontal
... lots of complex choices

Issue Triage

richard: forgot something earlier
... project review
... have started porting JLReq (Japanese) to github and respec
... so that would enable us to produce a new version
... incorp errata and feedback
... and also to get feedback via an issues list
... a lot of work, so will take time

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

presentation-api • i18n-ISSUE-493: add sections (non-I18N) https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/112

micropub • no language or direction or localizability of error message? https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/183

remove pending?

find-text • FindText API vs. Charmod-Norm https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/106

close as obsoltee

html • Use of modifier keys for accesskey https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159

<scribe> ACTION: richard: revise issue 159 about modifier keys and make appropriate revisions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-541 - Revise issue 159 about modifier keys and make appropriate revisions [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].

packaging-on-the-web • i18n-ISSUE-404: Lang matching undefined https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/60

remove pending and forward

url • i18n-ISSUE-402: Broken copy/paste behavior with IRIs https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/58

web-payments-use-cases • i18n-ISSUE-476: International payment, taxation, delivery and trade restriction practices https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/82

<scribe> closed as stale

dpub-latinreq • i18n-ISSUE-390: Extended Latin Characters Covered in Text but not in Title https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/47

richard: "... books in languages using the Latin script..." (missing script)

david: English retains accents from sources

richard: wider point is perhaps valid, not just English or ASCII

http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/

<scribe> ACTION: richard: ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-542 - Ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].

dpub-aria • i18n-ISSUE-480: New role for Ruby? https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/83

close as stale

Proposal to move Ethiopic LREQ to FPWD

richard: daniel working on ethiopic document
... plans to create a survey to get answers to questions

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/elreq/

richard: would help to have current document available
... link above
... want to make First Public Working Draft

addison: chair asks you to vote on publication of ELREQ as a First Public Working Draft

<David> +1

<r12a> +1

+1

<fsasaki> +1

<Francesco> 0

no objections, so resolved

(francesco as new member abstained)

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish elreq as FPWD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-543 - Publish elreq as fpwd [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-07-28].

Review: Data on the Web Best Practices

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#dwbp

richard: no objection to any of these, but not sure I understand them all

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/19

felix: think this is a general best practice that should be mentioned

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0011.html

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jul/0013.html

felix: linked data work, not clear enough in what they want
... no objection to addison's edits

paste addison's edits to 19, remove pending, forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/185

felix: went through all, items with no comment like this are fine with me

this one okay

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/186

no objections

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/188

no objections

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/187

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/190

may not be standard means of indicating direction; identified gap

no best practice here because no practice that is best yet?

acknowledge that direction has no established BP, but forward comment. language does have an established set of mechanisms

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/189

felix: no linked data version; can't point to something that doesn't exist. it's a technology or standard gap

richard: if you have a date format, you can say this is an xsd:dateTime
... don't need a url for that
... could we use tags: there can't really be URL for all of them

felix: would need a service that sent information about the language tag

richard: much more complicated

felix: needs a persistent service

richard: think we need to raise the issue
... need to make them aware it's a bad solution
... have it registered as an issue

addison: agree

felix: doing what is currently technically possible
... maybe no solution yet but defintely state the problem

addison: forward?

richard: yes but rewrite slightly

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/193

dupe of 19

merge info?

separate docs, so not a dupe

felix: "we are aware of a technology gap, but from user point of view this is an important issue"
... point it out in your document

richard: be aware that tech doesn't meet WWW requirements

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/192

felix: change explanation (treat as typo)

addison: agree
... any other issues?

richard: next steps: rewrite some, then tell me

<scribe> ACTION: addison: add comment with final text for issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption and when done, send notification to richard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Add comment with final text for issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption and when done, send notification to richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-07-28].

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: add comment with final text for issues in dwbp as discussed in teleconference for final consumption and when done, send notification to richard [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: ask after dpub-pagination status and if they want/ready for a review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish elreq as FPWD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: revise issue 159 about modifier keys and make appropriate revisions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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