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Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

14 Jul 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, Leonie, Michiel_Bijl, fesch, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, MichaelC, Joseph_Scheuhammer, jaeunJemmaku, jongund, Bryan_Garaventa
Regrets
Chair
Rich
Scribe
fesch

Contents


<Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jul/0090.html

<scribe> scribe: fesch

Survey on CFC resutlss

<Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2016-07-07_roledescription_CfC/results

rs: goes over survey responses

on role-descripition yes 4 no 1 concur 8 abstain 1

<Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2016-07-07_roledescription_CfC/results

rs: second survey yes 3 no 5 concur 6

first survey - predominately yes - 1 no

rs: based on the survey I think we should go with the first

jn: one no has an explanation...
... by shutting down ways - you will force developers to do more and more hacks
... prefer not shutting down the less bad hacks... preferred the static role -

rs: looking at conversations on the list... should we have an a

ARIA 1.2?

rs" I don't want to do a 1.2 ... and prefer to move on

rs: folks have been waiting for us to finish this up

mc: we could do a 1.2 if needed
... we only have a couple of folks to do 1.2 and some not... it takes 6 months minimum
... if we know that we want to do a 1.2, then should we consider doing in 1.1?

rs: no
... we are holding up ARIA in HTML...

mk: there is nothing left that is burning the house down

rs: the support for this type of functionality is all over the map... the group in general does not feel that strongly for this in 1.1

cs: can put in in the first working draft in ARIA 2...

mk: purpose is to learn and we learned

lw: we did that in webapps... can take a snapshot if stuff is stable

rs: the two James find this feature is important...

mc: implement early means it can be changed...

rs: lets get ARIA 1.1 done
... looks like the group has gone with option 1
... we should start an ARIA 2 editors draft sooner...

cs: github can manage any updates...
... we could password in a draft...

rs: I don't care about password role - group has addressed technical issues - hopefully the security group will come up with something better
... Do we agree the group agrees on option 1?
... Joanie pull in the branch for option 3

<Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2092option3/aria/aria.html#aria-roledescription

rs: we are picking option 1 in survey (option 3 branch)
... we are moving to pseudo last call
... how long for comments

mc: one month
... we normally do messaging to - WAI IG, twitter, mailing lists...
... this is a wide review draft

<Rich> ACTION: mking3 Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/14-aria-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2100 - Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription [on Matthew King - due 2016-07-21].

<Rich> action-2100?

<trackbot> action-2100 -- Matthew King to Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription -- due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2100

Posting on public aria admin list

rs: list is for weighing in on a CfC, we have turned it into technical decisions
... we can't do that, too much chatter
... if you have technical decisions about CfCs do that on public aria
... that makes it visible to folks

mc: other folks can read it, but not post
... want to keep noise down on admin list

SVG A11Y pubs

rs: we would like to make these 3 docs pushed to publication - working drafts
... any objections?

RESOLUTION: Publish First Working Draft Graphics Module AAM, Heartbeat of Graphics Module and SVG AAM

mc: may be ready by end of the month

TPAC

<Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2016/registrants#ARIA

<MichaelC> Note that URI may not be visible to everyone here

rs: will be setting up meetings, COGA wants 2 hours... asked Janinia will split it up with APA, will meet with TAG for ARIA 2.0

<Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016

rs: did anyone add to the wiki? If you have stuff you want covered at TPAC put on wiki
... need to set up interlocks with other groups...

<Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/project

ARIA project plan

rs: we need to look at plans, I don't know if we will make August for ARA I.1

mc: TPAC will interfere with September, what about October?

rs: Jospeh still has an action item list

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

<clown> issues/actions for core-aam ^

cs: building the test cases and harnesses will take a couple of months
... could get testing done by end of September

rs: need to make sure folks have implemented it

mc: can try for Feb for CR and April for recommendation
... several others will be on the same timeline, Core AAM...

rs: what about dPub? Can you do that in edge?

cs: we haven't talked about it.

rs: we probably will see it in webkit and firefox
... may not get edge
... only roles, no properties...

mc: lists docs on same timeline...

rs: has edge looked at SVG at all?

cs: SVG AAM - no

rs: I don't know what will happen with SVG working group, they lost 2 chairs...
... I think we can get webkit, chrome and maybe firefox
... February may be OK

fe: we can get the tests translated we have the perl scirpt, just need the final form

rs: lets shoot for November for CR for SVG AAM
... May for PR, June for REC
... may be later for Graphics AAM, only has 3 roles
... we can have a very short CR periiod
... I would enter Graphics AAM a little later than SVG AAM

<MichaelC> SVG Roadmap (out of date?)

mc: In theory they should have entered CR in Feb 2016... can't predict based on what they have...
... want to make sure the group knows about the times

<Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/project

<AmeliaBR> SVG 2 will have a last call WD / first call CR in the next month. Will probably be revised a few times once implementers start actually working on it. There are a few changes that will filter down to SVG AAM, but that should be soon.

lw: does the timeline assume problems?

mc: includes some slack for getting implementations

cs: filling out test infrastructure will take some time
... we had a discussion on writing the test cases
... we talked about all the pieces that need to be done... one thing is get the other APIs....
... shane will integrate reporting infrastructure

<MichaelC> Minutes ARIA Test 13 July 2016

cs: I will propose on documenting stuff in JSON and a dev will work on parsing
... then we will ask others to get testcases...

rs: don't want to repeat ARIA 1.0 want lots of folks to help

jg: shane wants to demonstrate how the current test platform could work with for WPT

cs: some of that already works

jg: we we build a testcase - in a JSON format

fe: we have a perl script for handling the SVG tests

jg: In the next month we will have a clear idea of how it will work

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask if you have established a regular meeting time

rrsaggent, make minutes

cs: Jon did we decide to meet in 2 weeks?

jg: yes

<MichaelC> ARIA Test list

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: mking3 Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/14-aria-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Publish First Working Draft Graphics Module AAM, Heartbeat of Graphics Module and SVG AAM
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