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16:32:53 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jul/0090.html
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16:32:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:32:58 <trackbot> Date: 14 July 2016
16:33:04 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:33:08 <janina> present+ Janina
16:33:09 <Rich> chair: Rich
16:34:00 <Rich> RRSAgent, make log public
16:34:25 <Rich> Present+ Leonie
16:34:27 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jul/0090.html
16:34:27 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl
16:34:30 <fesch> present+ fesch
16:34:33 <Rich> Present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:34:38 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:34:53 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:35:13 <fesch> TOPIC: Survey
16:35:23 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2016-07-07_roledescription_CfC/results
16:35:45 <fesch> s/Survey/Survey on CFC resutlss/
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16:36:35 <fesch> rs: goes over survey responses
16:36:59 <fesch> on role-descripition  yes 4 no 1 concur 8 abstain 1
16:37:01 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2016-07-07_roledescription_CfC/results
16:37:31 <fesch> rs: second survey yes 3 no 5 concur 6
16:37:51 <fesch> first survey - predominately yes - 1 no
16:38:23 <fesch> rs: based on the survey I think we should go with the first
16:38:48 <fesch> jn: one no has an explanation...
16:39:17 <fesch> jn: by shutting down ways - you will force developers to do more and more hacks
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16:40:05 <fesch> jn: prefer not shutting down the less bad hacks... preferred  the static role -
16:40:16 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
16:40:25 <jaeun> present+ jaeunJemmaku
16:40:36 <fesch> rs: looking at conversations on the list... should we have an a
16:40:42 <fesch> ARIA 1.2?
16:40:50 <MichaelC> q+
16:41:22 <fesch> rs" I don't want to do a 1.2 ... and prefer to move on
16:41:38 <fesch> rs: folks have been waiting for us to finish this up
16:41:55 <fesch> mc: we could do a 1.2 if needed
16:41:58 <MichaelC> ack me
16:42:08 <joanie> q+ To say that I'm fine with a 1.2, as long as the people who want the 1.2 drive it all.
16:42:28 <fesch> mc: we only have a couple of folks to do 1.2 and some not... it takes 6 months minimum
16:42:53 <fesch> mc: if we know that we want to do a 1.2, then should we consider doing in 1.1?
16:42:53 <jongund> present+ jongund
16:42:57 <fesch> rs: no
16:43:14 <fesch> rs: we are holding up ARIA in HTML...
16:43:31 <fesch> mk: there is nothing left that is burning the house down
16:44:17 <fesch> rs: the support for this type of functionality is all over the map... the group in general does not feel that strongly for this in 1.1
16:44:44 <fesch> cs: can put in in the first working draft in ARIA 2...
16:45:07 <fesch> mk: purpose is to learn and we learned
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16:45:30 <joanie> q-
16:45:37 <fesch> lw: we did that in webapps... can take a snapshot if stuff is stable
16:45:45 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
16:46:28 <fesch> rs: the two James find this feature is important...
16:46:59 <fesch> mc: implement early means it can be changed...
16:47:09 <fesch> rs: lets get ARIA 1.1 done
16:47:23 <fesch> rs: looks like the group has gone with option 1
16:47:51 <fesch> rs: we should start an ARIA 2 editors draft sooner...
16:48:02 <fesch> cs: github can manage any updates...
16:48:41 <fesch> cs: we could password in a draft...
16:49:34 <fesch> rs: I don't care about password role - group has addressed technical issues - hopefully the security group will come up with something better
16:49:48 <fesch> rs: Do we agree the group agrees on option 1?
16:50:43 <fesch> rs: Joanie pull in the branch for option 1
16:51:15 <Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2092option3/aria/aria.html#aria-roledescription
16:51:20 <fesch> s/option 1/option 3/
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16:51:57 <fesch> rs: we are picking option 1 in survey (option 3 branch)
16:52:17 <fesch> rs: we are moving to pseudo last call
16:52:27 <fesch> rs: how long for comments
16:52:34 <fesch> mc: one month
16:53:18 <fesch> mc: we normally do messaging to - WAI IG, twitter, mailing lists...
16:53:28 <fesch> mc: this is a wide review draft
16:54:53 <Rich> action: mking3 Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription
16:54:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2100 - Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription [on Matthew King - due 2016-07-21].
16:55:03 <Rich> action-2100?
16:55:03 <trackbot> action-2100 -- Matthew King to Create strongly wored guidance in the authoring practices for aria-roledescription -- due 2016-07-21 -- OPEN
16:55:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2100
16:56:02 <fesch> TOPIC: Posting on public aria admin list
16:56:35 <fesch> rs: list is for weighing in on a CfC, we have turned it into technical decisions
16:56:46 <fesch> rs: we can't do that, too much chatter
16:57:16 <fesch> rs: if you have technical decisions about CfCs do that on public aria
16:57:38 <fesch> rs: that makes it visible to folks
16:57:50 <fesch> mc: other folks can read it, but not post
16:58:03 <fesch> mc: want to keep noise down on admin list
16:58:14 <fesch> TOPIC: SVG A11Y pubs
16:58:35 <fesch> rs: we would like to make these 3 docs pushed to publication - working drafts
16:58:42 <fesch> rs: any objections?
16:59:37 <fesch> RESOLUTION: Publish First Working Draft Graphics Module AAM, Heartbeat of Graphics Module and SVG AAM
16:59:58 <fesch> mc: may be ready by end of the month
17:00:07 <fesch> TOPIC: TPAC
17:00:12 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2016/registrants#ARIA
17:01:10 <MichaelC> Note that URI may not be visible to everyone here
17:01:10 <fesch> rs: will be setting up meetings, COGA wants 2 hours... asked Janinia will split it up with APA, will meet with TAG for ARIA 2.0
17:01:41 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
17:01:53 <fesch> rs: did anyone add to the wiki?  If you have stuff you want covered at TPAC put on wiki
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17:02:09 <fesch> rs: need to set up interlocks with other groups...
17:02:45 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/project
17:02:58 <fesch> TOPIC: ARIA project plan
17:03:34 <fesch> rs: we need to look at plans, I don't know if we will make August for ARA I.1
17:04:03 <fesch> mc: TPAC will interfere with September, what about October?
17:04:21 <fesch> rs: Jospeh still has an action item list
17:04:33 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
17:04:40 <clown> issues/actions for core-aam ^
17:04:44 <fesch> cs: building the test cases and harnesses will take a couple of months
17:05:13 <fesch> cs: could get testing done by end of September
17:05:34 <fesch> rs: need to make sure folks have implemented it
17:05:54 <fesch> mc: can try for Feb for CR and April for recommendation
17:06:14 <fesch> mc: several others will be on the same timeline, Core AAM...
17:06:37 <fesch> rs: what about dPub? Can you do that in edge?
17:06:47 <fesch> cs: we haven't talked about it.
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17:07:06 <fesch> rs: we probably will see it in webkit and firefox
17:07:18 <fesch> rs: may not get edge
17:07:37 <fesch> rs: only roles, no properties...
17:08:16 <fesch> mc: lists docs on same timeline...
17:08:29 <fesch> rs: has edge looked at SVG at all?
17:08:40 <fesch> cs: SVG AAM - no
17:09:54 <fesch> rs: I don't know what will happen with SVG working group, they lost 2 chairs...
17:10:12 <fesch> rs: I think we can get webkit, chrome and maybe firefox
17:10:31 <fesch> rs: February may be OK
17:11:59 <fesch> fe: we can get the tests translated we have the perl scirpt, just need the final form
17:12:14 <fesch> rs: lets shoot for November for CR for SVG AAM
17:13:01 <fesch> rs: May for PR, June for REC
17:13:32 <fesch> rs: may be later for Graphics AAM, only has 3 roles
17:13:55 <fesch> rs: we can have a very short CR periiod
17:14:17 <fesch> rs: I would enter Graphics AAM a little later than SVG AAM
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17:14:47 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Roadmap SVG Roadmap (out of date?)
17:14:58 <fesch> mc: In theory they should have entered CR in Feb 2016... can't predict based on what they have...
17:15:26 <fesch> mc: want to make sure the group knows about the times
17:16:19 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/project
17:17:02 <AmeliaBR> SVG 2 will have a last call WD / first call CR in the next month. Will probably be revised a few times once implementers start actually working on it.  There are a few changes that will filter down to SVG AAM, but that should be soon.
17:20:27 <fesch> lw: does the timeline assume problems?
17:20:43 <fesch> mc: includes some slack for getting implementations
17:21:20 <fesch> cs: filling out test infrastructure will take some time
17:22:43 <fesch> cs: we had a discussion on writing the test cases
17:23:21 <fesch> cs: we talked about all the pieces that need to be done... one thing is get the other APIs....
17:23:35 <fesch> cs: shane will integrate reporting infrastructure
17:23:58 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/07/13-aria-test-minutes.html Minutes ARIA Test 13 July 2016
17:24:06 <fesch> cs: I will propose on documenting stuff in JSON and a dev will work on parsing
17:24:29 <fesch> cs: then we will ask others to get testcases...
17:25:02 <fesch> rs: don't want to repeat ARIA 1.0 want lots of folks to help
17:25:22 <MichaelC> q+
17:25:36 <MichaelC> q+ to ask if you have established a regular meeting time
17:25:40 <fesch> jg: shane wants to demonstrate how the current test platform could work with for WTT
17:26:00 <fesch> cs: some of that already works
17:26:29 <fesch> jg: we we build a testcase - in a JSON format
17:27:39 <fesch> fe: we have a perl script for handling the SVG tests
17:27:53 <fesch> s/WTT/WPT/
17:28:16 <fesch> jg: In the next month we will have a clear idea of how it will work
17:28:30 <MichaelC> ack me
17:28:30 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask if you have established a regular meeting time
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17:29:17 <fesch> cs: Jon did we decide to meet in 2 weeks?
17:29:30 <fesch> jg: yes
17:30:10 <MichaelC> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-test/ ARIA Test list
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