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Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference

13 Jul 2016

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Attendees

Present
Anna_Belle, Susan, Shawn, Brent, Sharron, Eric
Regrets
Chair
Anna Belle
Scribe
Shawn

Contents


<scribe> Meeting: WAI Site Redesign

+1 for not waiting for later people

Personas

OK?

AB: Hope so

Brainstorming

Brent: [background on his getting involved in brainstorming...]
... maybe held at a different time from the meeting
... make clear if brainstorming or discussion or decision-making
... throw out ideas & acpture. then go back and analyze. different from meetings with discussion and descisions.
... hopeful will have specific topics
... some not like brainstorming - prefer making decisions. designate brainstorming session for those who want to participate
... figure out what topics for brainstorming, e.g., navigation

AB: planning stage a bit frutrating so brainstorming session would be good to do. any topic good for me
... will help people feel like maing progress, but there are more pressing things

Project Management

James: concluded even if plan a lot, requirements could change. also deadlines to show progress - to show viabeility for project. with these contraints, lead to waterfall not good for this project. like to use agile
... set a cycle for sprints - timeframe we agree that we accompish something. set 4-week/month-long sprintg
... for each, define things we can accomplish for releaseable products (even though not necessarily will release them)
... maybe all style tiles & agree on

<Susan> +1 to James re: agile methodology

James: at end of sprint, can show we got tings done
... can respond to changing requireemtns & features
... can maintain a backlog
... AB & J & TF will look at backlog and figure out which item to tackle
... this mtg & Fri can be used as standups
... purpose of the development model is adjust to chaning requirements & resource load

[ /me not clear that we will have changing requirements much...]

[ /me suggests GitHub for backlog creation & management]

James: requirements might change from public feedback

<yatil> [/me thinks it is more like changing priorities and workload management. ]

AB: love approach 0 when start?

SR: agree. great approach.

+1 for appraoch

scribe: @@ too noisy :(
... @@

+1 for moving on :-)

<scribe> ACTION: James write up ?? for agile for redesign [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/13-eo-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-365 - Write up ?? for agile for redesign [on James Green - due 2016-07-20].

Goals

AB: Feedback on goals?
... biggest changes are split subgoals into short-term & secondary prioirty. under short-term, changed dates - Judy wants 4 months before EOWG charter in May
... added notes about primary goal of go-to-place

<scribe> scribe: Shawn

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: added to short-term goals & collappsed languge on former sub-goals

Susan: Q1 seems not possible
... [ issue with content later ]

<yatil> [content is responsibility for the resource managers. We structure and beautify.]

SLH: can get visual design & IA in 6-9 months?

Susan: no

<yatil> [I think we can do that when we identify clear tasks and keep them on track.]

<Susan> I'm the only one who thinks this?

<yatil> Shawn: One thing to be aware of is that current EOWG charter goes through May 2017. At TPAC in Nov, we'll be talking with W3C Members about EOWG future work. (While some extremely supportive of EOWG, some not think EO should be a W3C WG - maybe an IG.) Draft new charter to be presented in Jan-Feb 2017 for W3C Member review.

[/e agrees with Susan about resource challenges ]

Susan: @@ ... realistic eye at which of thos thngs we can accomplish in 3-5 months

AB: I paniced at Q1 2017. Think we can have visual design & IA rolled out in April
... would like to chagne date, or pull it out.

SLH: Just to be aware that in Nov and in Jan/Feb, we will be talking to W3C Members about EOWG

<Susan> +1 to Sharron

Sharron: prefer not to bring those considerations into this redesign
... best to do our job. that stuff in back of mind, but not in front of mind

ack: y

<scribe> ... cont we just get on with our work

ee: agree & disagree. @@ if we say Q1 or last day of March [??]. set it - then if we need to change, we can.

Sharron: comforting.

Susan: like optimisism. I'm more of a pessimist
... [@@ too echoy for scribe to understand]
... direct feedback from Judy?

AB: James, Shawn, Eric, and I speaking with Judy
... first call was just James & AB with Judy
... about content: remembering large redesigns I've done: have to be strategic and pick easier wins initially.
... phases.
... maybe good for future charter.
... Send to EOWG now?
... or Judy first?

Sharron: yes - hives review for Judy - for EOWG this week

AB: will do

Analytics

AB: [tangent] meeting same time next week. I will be away 2 weeks yet thrilled if meet w/o & lots of progress

James: not next week

Susan: analytics before & after. top: page views, search terms, in-bounds

visitor path / tunnels

scribe: bounce spots

<AnnaBelle> +1 to Susan putting this in BaseCamp - many thanks

scribe: how determine success?

<yatil> 👍🏼

brainstorming

Brent: what topics tackling first?

James: off top of head: design things. how collect style tiles? what want to accomplish?
... seesion like that better after first mini-sprint

Brent: discuss with James in week or so - think about topics

<yatil> brainstorming great to fill the backlog

AB: some concern that it could take off track

Brent: not on topics that can make quick decisions on
... example, that might be good is site navigation

<yatil> [site navigation: theguardian.com]

Brent: agree not on topics that are simple to address

<Susan> have a great mtg everyone

welcome: -)

Members about EOWG future work. (While some extremely supportive of EOWG, some not think EO should be a W3C WG - maybe an IG.) Draft new charter to be presented in Jan/Feb 2017 for W3C Member review.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: James write up ?? for agile for redesign [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/13-eo-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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