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<scribe> Meeting: WAI Site Redesign
+1 for not waiting for later people
OK?
AB: Hope so
Brent: [background on his getting
involved in brainstorming...]
... maybe held at a different time from the meeting
... make clear if brainstorming or discussion or
decision-making
... throw out ideas & acpture. then go back and analyze.
different from meetings with discussion and descisions.
... hopeful will have specific topics
... some not like brainstorming - prefer making decisions.
designate brainstorming session for those who want to
participate
... figure out what topics for brainstorming, e.g.,
navigation
AB: planning stage a bit
frutrating so brainstorming session would be good to do. any
topic good for me
... will help people feel like maing progress, but there are
more pressing things
James: concluded even if plan a
lot, requirements could change. also deadlines to show progress
- to show viabeility for project. with these contraints, lead
to waterfall not good for this project. like to use agile
... set a cycle for sprints - timeframe we agree that we
accompish something. set 4-week/month-long sprintg
... for each, define things we can accomplish for releaseable
products (even though not necessarily will release them)
... maybe all style tiles & agree on
<Susan> +1 to James re: agile methodology
James: at end of sprint, can show
we got tings done
... can respond to changing requireemtns & features
... can maintain a backlog
... AB & J & TF will look at backlog and figure out
which item to tackle
... this mtg & Fri can be used as standups
... purpose of the development model is adjust to chaning
requirements & resource load
[ /me not clear that we will have changing requirements much...]
[ /me suggests GitHub for backlog creation & management]
James: requirements might change from public feedback
<yatil> [/me thinks it is more like changing priorities and workload management. ]
AB: love approach 0 when start?
SR: agree. great approach.
+1 for appraoch
scribe: @@ too noisy :(
... @@
+1 for moving on :-)
<scribe> ACTION: James write up ?? for agile for redesign [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/13-eo-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-365 - Write up ?? for agile for redesign [on James Green - due 2016-07-20].
AB: Feedback on goals?
... biggest changes are split subgoals into short-term &
secondary prioirty. under short-term, changed dates - Judy
wants 4 months before EOWG charter in May
... added notes about primary goal of go-to-place
<scribe> scribe: Shawn
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: added to short-term goals & collappsed languge on former sub-goals
Susan: Q1 seems not
possible
... [ issue with content later ]
<yatil> [content is responsibility for the resource managers. We structure and beautify.]
SLH: can get visual design & IA in 6-9 months?
Susan: no
<yatil> [I think we can do that when we identify clear tasks and keep them on track.]
<Susan> I'm the only one who thinks this?
<yatil> Shawn: One thing to be aware of is that current EOWG charter goes through May 2017. At TPAC in Nov, we'll be talking with W3C Members about EOWG future work. (While some extremely supportive of EOWG, some not think EO should be a W3C WG - maybe an IG.) Draft new charter to be presented in Jan-Feb 2017 for W3C Member review.
[/e agrees with Susan about resource challenges ]
Susan: @@ ... realistic eye at which of thos thngs we can accomplish in 3-5 months
AB: I paniced at Q1 2017. Think
we can have visual design & IA rolled out in April
... would like to chagne date, or pull it out.
SLH: Just to be aware that in Nov and in Jan/Feb, we will be talking to W3C Members about EOWG
<Susan> +1 to Sharron
Sharron: prefer not to bring
those considerations into this redesign
... best to do our job. that stuff in back of mind, but not in
front of mind
ack: y
<scribe> ... cont we just get on with our work
ee: agree & disagree. @@ if we say Q1 or last day of March [??]. set it - then if we need to change, we can.
Sharron: comforting.
Susan: like optimisism. I'm more
of a pessimist
... [@@ too echoy for scribe to understand]
... direct feedback from Judy?
AB: James, Shawn, Eric, and I
speaking with Judy
... first call was just James & AB with Judy
... about content: remembering large redesigns I've done: have
to be strategic and pick easier wins initially.
... phases.
... maybe good for future charter.
... Send to EOWG now?
... or Judy first?
Sharron: yes - hives review for Judy - for EOWG this week
AB: will do
AB: [tangent] meeting same time next week. I will be away 2 weeks yet thrilled if meet w/o & lots of progress
James: not next week
Susan: analytics before & after. top: page views, search terms, in-bounds
visitor path / tunnels
scribe: bounce spots
<AnnaBelle> +1 to Susan putting this in BaseCamp - many thanks
scribe: how determine success?
<yatil> 👍🏼
Brent: what topics tackling first?
James: off top of head: design
things. how collect style tiles? what want to accomplish?
... seesion like that better after first mini-sprint
Brent: discuss with James in week or so - think about topics
<yatil> brainstorming great to fill the backlog
AB: some concern that it could take off track
Brent: not on topics that can
make quick decisions on
... example, that might be good is site navigation
<yatil> [site navigation: theguardian.com]
Brent: agree not on topics that are simple to address
<Susan> have a great mtg everyone
welcome: -)
Members about EOWG future work. (While some extremely supportive of EOWG, some not think EO should be a W3C WG - maybe an IG.) Draft new charter to be presented in Jan/Feb 2017 for W3C Member review.
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