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16:51:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
16:51:50 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2016
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17:01:46 <shawn> Meeting: WAI Site Redesign
17:01:50 <shawn> Chair: Anna Belle
17:02:39 <shawn> Present: Anna Belle, Susan, Shawn, Brent
17:02:51 <shawn> +1 for not waiting for later people
17:04:21 <shawn> Topic: Personas
17:04:23 <shawn> OK?
17:04:29 <shawn> AB: Hope so
17:04:34 <shawn> Topic: Brainstorming
17:05:43 <shawn> Brent: [background on his getting involved in brainstorming...]
17:06:01 <shawn> .... maybe held at a different time from the meeting
17:06:16 <shawn> .... brainstorming or discussion or decision-making
17:06:49 <shawn> s/brainstorming/make clear if brainstorming
17:07:02 <shawn> Present+ Sharron, Eric
17:08:20 <shawn> .... throw out ideas & acpture. then go back and analyze. different from meetings with discussion and descisions.
17:08:38 <shawn> ... hopeful will have specific topics
17:09:18 <shawn> ... some not like brainstorming - prefer making decisions. designate brainstorming session for those who want ti participate
17:09:34 <shawn> s/want ti/want to
17:09:53 <shawn> ... figure out what topics for brainstorming, e.g., navigation
17:10:18 <shawn> AB: planning stage a bit frutrating so brainstorming session would be good to do. any topic good for me
17:10:43 <shawn> .... will help people feel like maing progress, but there are more pressing things
17:11:25 <shawn> Topic: Project Management
17:12:51 <shawn> James: concluded even if plan a lot, requirements could change. also deadlines to show progress - to show viabeility for project. with these contraints, lead to waterfall not good for this project. like to use agile
17:13:28 <shawn> ... set a cycle for sprints - timeframe we agree that we accompish something. set 4-week/month-long sprintg
17:13:54 <shawn> .... for each, define things we can accomplish for releaseable products (even though not necessarily will release them)
17:14:04 <shawn> ... maybe all style tiles & agree on
17:14:17 <Susan> +1 to James re: agile methodology
17:14:22 <shawn> ... at end of sprint, can show we got tings done
17:14:39 <shawn> ... can respond to changing requireemtns & features
17:14:49 <shawn> ... can maintain a backlog
17:15:24 <shawn> ... AB & J & TF will look at backlog and figure out which item to tackle
17:16:14 <shawn> ... this mtg & Fri can be used as standups
17:16:42 <shawn> .... purpose of the development model is adjust to chaning requirements & resource load
17:17:03 <shawn> [ /me not clear that we will have changing requirements much...]
17:17:44 <shawn> [ /me suggests GitHub for backlog creation & management]
17:19:08 <shawn> James: requirements might change from public feedback
17:19:32 <yatil> [/me thinks it is more like changing priorities and workload management. ]
17:20:34 <shawn> AB: love approach 0 when start?
17:20:41 <shawn> SR: agree. great approach.
17:20:58 <shawn> +1 for appraoch
17:21:52 <shawn> ...@@ too noisy :(
17:22:22 <shawn> ... @@
17:22:44 <shawn> +1 for moving on :-)
17:23:00 <shawn> ACTION: James write up ?? for agile for redesign
17:23:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-365 - Write up ?? for agile for redesign [on James Green - due 2016-07-20].
17:23:03 <shawn> Topic: Goal
17:23:21 <shawn> s/Topic: Goal/Topic: Goals
17:23:27 <Susan> q+
17:23:33 <shawn> AB: Feedback on goals?
17:23:35 <shawn> ack s
17:24:38 <Susan> q+
17:24:41 <shawn> AB: biggest changes are split subgoals into short-term & secondary prioirty. under short-term, changed dates - 4 months before EOWG charter in May
17:24:59 <shawn> s/ 4 months before EOWG charter in May/ Judy wants 4 months before EOWG charter in May
17:25:25 <shawn> ... added notes about primary goal of go-to-place
17:25:38 <shawn> scribe: Shawn
17:25:55 <shawn> .... added to short-term goals & collappsed languge on former sub-goals
17:25:57 <shawn> ack s
17:26:01 <AnnaBelle> q?
17:26:19 <shawn> Susan: Q1 seems not possible
17:27:14 <shawn> ... [ issue with content later ]
17:27:27 <shawn> q+
17:27:30 <shawn> ack me
17:27:36 <yatil> [content is responsibility for the resource managers. We structure and beautify.]
17:28:04 <shawn> SLH: cannot get vidual design & IA in 6-9 months?
17:28:12 <shawn> Susan: no
17:28:27 <shawn> s/ cannot/ can
17:28:43 <shawn> s/vidual/visual
17:28:50 <yatil> [I think we can do that when we identify clear tasks and keep them on track.]
17:28:57 <Susan> I'm the only one who thinks this?
17:31:03 <yatil> Shawn: James talked about constraints and the current EO Charter goes through may and our TPAC objective is to talk to members and other groups to promote EO work. 4 months are the time the new charter is in limbo and it would be good to have it ready to gather support from the AC.
17:31:08 <AnnaBelle> q?
17:31:42 <shawn> [/e agrees with Susan about resource challenges ]
17:31:47 <AnnaBelle> q+
17:32:06 <shawn> Susan: @@ ... realistic eye at which of thos thngs we can accomplish in 3-5 months
17:32:39 <AnnaBelle> q-
17:32:40 <shawn> ack a
17:33:05 <shawn> AB: I paniced at Q1 2017. Think we can have visual design & IA rolled out in April
17:33:45 <shawn> ... would like to chagne date, or pull it out.
17:33:54 <AnnaBelle> q?
17:35:41 <shawn> SLH: Just to be aware that in Nov and in Jan/Feb, we will be talking to W3C Members about EOWG
17:35:53 <Susan> +1 to Sharron
17:35:56 <shawn> Sharron: prefer not to bring those considerations into this redesign
17:36:01 <yatil> Q+
17:36:23 <shawn> ... best to do our job. that stuff in back of mind, but not in front of mind
17:36:54 <AnnaBelle> q?
17:37:01 <shawn> ack: y
17:37:11 <shawn> ack y
17:37:20 <Susan> q+
17:37:38 <shawn> ... cont we just get on with our work
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17:37:48 <AnnaBelle> q?
17:37:54 <AnnaBelle> q+
17:38:35 <shawn> ee: agree & disagree. @@ if we say Q1 or last day of March [??]. set it - then if we need to change, we can.
17:39:02 <shawn> Sharron: comforting.
17:39:05 <shawn> ack s
17:39:20 <shawn> Susan: like optimisism. I'm more of a pessimist
17:39:40 <shawn> ... [@@ too echoy for scribe to understand]
17:39:46 <James> Q+
17:39:53 <shawn> ... direct feedback from Judy?
17:39:55 <shawn> ack ab
17:39:58 <shawn> ack a
17:40:04 <James> Q-
17:40:11 <shawn> AB: James, Shawn, Eric, and I speaking with Judy
17:40:43 <James> Q+
17:40:51 <shawn> ... first call was just James & AB with Judy
17:41:26 <shawn> AB: about content: remembering large redesigns I've done: have to be strategic and pick easier wins initially.
17:42:09 <shawn> ... phases.
17:42:20 <James> Q-
17:42:32 <AnnaBelle> q?
17:42:33 <shawn> ... maybe good for future charter.
17:43:50 <shawn> AB: Send to EOWG now?
17:44:07 <shawn> ... or Judy first?
17:44:58 <shawn> Sharron: yes - hives review for Judy - for EOWG this week
17:45:03 <shawn> AB: will do
17:45:25 <shawn> Topic: Analytics
17:47:22 <shawn> AB: [tangent] meeting same time next week. I will be away 2 weeks yet thrilled if meet w/o & lots of progress
17:47:27 <shawn> James: not next week
17:48:13 <shawn> Susan: analytics before & after. top: page views, search terms, in-bounds
17:48:33 <shawn> visitor path / tunnels
17:48:41 <shawn> ... bounce spots
17:49:23 <AnnaBelle> +1 to Susan putting this in BaseCamp - many thanks
17:49:26 <shawn> ... how determine success?
17:49:42 <yatil> 👍🏼
17:53:08 <shawn> topic: brainstorming
17:53:13 <shawn> Brent: what topics tackling first?
17:54:01 <shawn> James: off topic ofhead: design things. how collect style tiles? what want to accomplish?
17:54:18 <shawn> ... seesion like that better after first mini-sprint
17:55:03 <shawn> Brent: discuss with James in week or so - think about topics
17:55:26 <yatil> brainstorming great to fill the backlog
17:56:08 <shawn> AB: some concern that it could take off track
17:56:30 <shawn> Brent: not on topics that can make quick decisions on
17:56:45 <shawn> ... example, that might be good is site navigation
17:56:57 <yatil> [site navigation: theguardian.com]
17:57:12 <shawn> s/ off topic ofhead:/ off top of head:
17:57:20 <shawn> ... agree not on topics that are simple to address
17:58:47 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:58:47 <Susan> have a great mtg everyone
18:00:48 <shawn> welcome :-)
18:05:30 <shawn> s/James talked about constraints and the current EO Charter goes through may and our TPAC objective is to talk to members and other groups to promote EO work. 4 months are the time the new charter is in limbo and it would be good to have it ready to gather support from the AC./One thing to be aware of is that current EOWG charter goes through May 2017. At TPAC in Nov, we'll be talking with W3C
18:05:30 <shawn> Members about EOWG future work. (While some extremely supportive of EOWG, some not think EO should be a W3C WG - maybe an IG.) Draft new charter to be presented in Jan/Feb 2017 for W3C Member review.
18:05:41 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
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18:07:31 <shawn> s/talking with W3C/ talking with W3C Members about EOWG future work. (While some extremely supportive of EOWG, some not think EO should be a W3C WG - maybe an IG.) Draft new charter to be presented in Jan-Feb 2017 for W3C Member review.
18:07:40 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
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