XForms Users Community Group Teleconference

29 Jun 2016


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Steven, Alain, Erik


ACTION-2015: Check all uses of <data>

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Steven: Fixed it all.

ACTION-2042: Add up/down pattern to examples in spec


Steven: Please review

ACTION-2007: Add two new cols to table in 10.1 events overview


Steven: Added the two extra columns
... found 4 missing events
... note that submit-error isn't fatal

Erik: nor output-error

Steven: Oh! Mistake

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to mark output-error as Notification in overview table [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2068 - Mark output-error as notification in overview table [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-07-06].

Erik: We could go back to *-exception
... the split was previously between errors and exceptions, and exceptions were not cancellable.
... there is some kind of inconsistency
... "exception" is a long name.
... In Java the "error"s are more serious than the "exceptions".

Steven: Let's think about it for a week. Let it sink in.
... interesting that DOMActivate is a Notification, and yet cancellable.

Erik: DOMActivate in DOM is deprecated

<ebruchez> spec for DOMActivate: https://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-type-DOMActivate

Steven: HTML5 wanted to go back to "click"

<ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-type-click

Erik: Probably only <submit> reacts natively to a DOMActivate

Steven: Leave DOMActivate as-is?

Erik: I think that's ok
... IN HTML5 they call it a post-click activation step
... if click isn't cancelled.
... Ideally I would describe submit as working in terms of a DOMActivatet, which if not cancelled would do the submit.

Steven: Which means that DOMActivate has a default action

Erik: We could say 'varies', even though it's only in this one case.

Steven: Let's think about it.

ACTION-2027: Decide how to deal with adjust-datetime-to-timezone()



Erik: Conflict with XPath2 and XForms
... function is present for backwards-compatibility

ACTION-2034: Add "document" to the glossary


Steven: What did you mean by "Some implementations allow access to non-instances"?

Erik: These are actions that technically operate on XML 'documents'.
... in XML there is a notion of XML document
... and DOM implementations of Document node
... it's the term used commonly to describe the thing containing nodes
... there's no reason for them to work only with instances

<ebruchez> <xf:var name="foo" value="doc('test.xml')"/>

Erik: Here I have an XML document that is not an instance

<ebruchez> <xf:delete ref="$foo//bar'/>

Erik: however you could do a delete on it. There's no reason to disallow it.

Steven: SO we use 'document' in several different ways

Erik: Maybe we need to qualify it always

Steven: Now I understand the problem better, I'll look again, and see if I can find a solution.

Erik: It's a very general term


Erik: I'll be in Europe the next three or four weeks.
... I can be at the call next week, not sure after that.
... Not the 20th and 27th.

Steven: OK< I can make the 3rd Aug but then I will be on holiday

Alain: I won't be around two last weeks of July and two first weeks of Aug.

Steven: OK, so our last call before the summer will be 13th July, and then nothing until 31 Aug.


Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Steven to mark output-error as Notification in overview table [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/29-forms-minutes.html#action01]

Summary of Resolutions

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