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<scribe> Scribe: EricE
AnnaBelle: Good conversation with Andrew.
action AnnaBelle to follow up with Andrew
<trackbot> Created ACTION-360 - Follow up with andrew [on Anna Belle Leiserson - due 2016-06-29].
scribe: Had some reservation to
the “number one resource” goal because he was concerned about
how current the WAI site could be. Would be good to refine the
goals now.
... Probably we could think about what our individual goals
are?
... My goals are: A sense of progress, would be happy to launch
by late spring, being flexible.
... Long term goal: Make you all happy.
... Launch goal is that the site is attractive enough when we
launch.
[deferred until James joins]
Sharron: We had 18 general things
from Alicas circulation, and then posted it to the WAI IG
list.
... But they are already skewed towards WAI and W3C stuff.
Almost 100 responses. A bunch of data.
... 100% of people are aware or very aware of accessibility, so
that might not be the most valuable data to use for people
outside of our realm.
... Wonder what we want to do with that data… And wonder what
we can do next. I don’t know what else to do.
... Asked people to share outside the accessibility space, but
it looks like not much happened.
AnnaBelle: Should I share it to my non-a11y contacts?
Sharron: I wonder if we can
approach something using other peoples expertise with this
data.
... In the WAI-IG list we didn’t get too many “Doers” but
mostly “Advocates”.
... I wonder how we can go forward now.
... There were some concerns about the diversity, especially
experienced developers which had no a11y experience and I
didn’t want to make something up.
<shawn> Shawn's persons comments: <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-site/2016Jun/0004.html>
AnnaBelle: You might want to check back with James, and if you want to have me send it out to people again.
Laura: Probably it is not about hearing about a11y but it is about taking action to implement a11y.
Sharron: It is an important profile and we should try to make it accurate.
<shawn> reminder of old peronsa like this: https://www.w3.org/WAI/redesign/personas#coder
<shawn> Shawn's personas comments: <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-site/2016Jun/0004.html>
Shawn: I had a few minor comments on the personas.
<Sharron> https://www.surveymonkey.com/summary/AAhjiznh7Xvh4bgxORkHhtvUljdZtPfW91_2FAwjbh3Rc_3D
<shawn> Shawn's personas comments: <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-site/2016Jun/0004.html>
<shawn> reminder of old peronsa like this: https://www.w3.org/WAI/redesign/personas#coder
Sharron: If Laura and James can get me some data about the people we want to have as a persona, I can go from there.
AnnaBelle: It is good to have checkpoints to go for and have a place to manage this progress.
<shawn> Eric: can you summarize what is depending on what
AnnaBelle: This is not a real
roadmap, hope James can expand on this and manage the project
with dependencies and everything.
... This structure is not a real roadmap but is a good starting
point to distribute different tasks.
... This is the place to add things, I hope we can expand. Eric
can add technical things and I and James will add other
items.
action EricE to expand the roadmap
<trackbot> Created ACTION-361 - Expand the roadmap [on Eric Eggert - due 2016-06-29].
AnnaBelle: Many people want to
help with visual design. Wondered what that looks like. I think
we could come up with what we want – style tiles or mockups.
But that would be really hard to do.
... One approach would be to give them instructions and a
document and ask for style tiles.
... I think it would help with a lot of visual designers.
Laura: Do we neet to have an IA first before thinking about design?
AnnaBelle: It might not be for Style Tiles but for Mockups.
<shawn> eric: concerned with approach of getting lots of input, then person not available to follow up. @@
<AnnaBelle> http://alistapart.com/article/style-tiles-and-how-they-work
<shawn> ... would like process to concentrate on a very minimalistic approach and layout.. clear thinkinng about colors, details, etc.
<shawn> ... if have lots of different mock-ups or style tiles, people like bit from different ones
<shawn> ... but could be lots of things that don't work well together
<AnnaBelle> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WAI_site_TF
https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WAI_site_TF
<AnnaBelle> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Talk:WAI_site_TF_Work_Statement
Shawn: In the objectives, I don’t think we need that level of detail.
Sharron: I think it is good to keep the May F2F as a reminder in the objectives to remind the group that there was a deliberate process involved.
Shawn: I think it is good
information to capture, but I don’t know if it belongs to
here.
... The link talks about the goals visual design, methodology
section is empty, so I think it is not really linking to
process and plan.
... Also, it is mentioned in the Communication section of the
work statement.
Brent: Is the WAI Web Site Redesign Project wiki page a page that will change?
Shawn: There is some information in there that needs to be refined.
AnnaBelle: My opinion: I like keeping things as simple as possible, but I think @@ – I don’t have a lot of experience with Work Statements…
Shawn: Maybe this second point
helps for the first one.
... In 2005 we wanted documentation the UCF process as an
example, which was another thing to do to make it useful
externally. I don’t think we need to do this this time.
AnnaBelle: What I hear is that we document things and make this documentation publicly available.
Shawn: I don’t think we need the particular goal to provide good documentation for the public. That would remove the sub-bullet altogether.
AnnaBelle: That sounds good to me.
Brent: What is the Audience of the Work Statement? For possible participants or for the public so they know what this TF is doing.
<Brent> +1
EricE: Probably we could reformulate point one as … redesign (…) according to the Guidance of the WG.
[General support for that idea.]
[Shawn incorporating several suggestions to the work statement.]
<Brent> +1 to delete those parts
Shawn: I crossed out “in good standing”, but that is not in the process anymore. I also didn’t know about “should have experience with UCD or EOWG,”.
[No objections to removing both.]
AnnaBelle: We didn’t get to talk about the goals…
Sharron: Will we redefine the goals?
AnnaBelle: No, we don’t plan to do that. What we want is to see what input there is from Andrew, Laura and other people and make it as easy as possible to absorb concerns and make it easy to get to EO for sign off.
<shawn> Eric: I think we need to share as much as possible, we don’t need to get to EO with every single question. But when we get questioned on our decisions, we have something to point people to.
AnnaBelle: We just want to make
sure we’re not bogged down by EOWG.
... I don’t want to share first brainstorms with EOWG, but only
if we decide to follow an idea.
... We meet again next week, same time.
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EricE: I don’t feel strongly but I think being public for most things might help us in the long run.
AnnaBelle: I don’t think we need to have every single detail in public.
EricE: I agree, not everything will be public.
AnnaBelle: I wonder what the benchmark is we are held to.
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to clarify access
[Discussion about publicly visible information.]
[Group decides to have the following sentence in the Communication section: “Additionally, WAI Web Site Redesign Basecamp is being used for preliminary project coordination. All pertinent information will be available publicly without login (in GitHub, wiki pages, WAI pages, or other) and access to the Basecamp will be provided on request.”]
AnnaBelle: I take what we have
and try to consolidate and make it as clear as possible so we
can address specific questions. I hope that we can roll this to
EO in one or two meetings.
... Also important next: Analytics
James: Also a more detailed project plan.