<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this

<Lisa_Seeman> /master/issue-papers/privacy-security.html

present Thaddeus

<Susann_Keohane> hi - whats the passcode on the phone line

<kirkwood> I believe that mine is ready to go.

<JohnRochford> Susann, I will send it to you via email. Hold on...

<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: thaddeus

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

waiting for issue papers from Janina and john kirkwood

next action item is the table

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

moving away from editorial items and into other items

will be sitting with other groups such as WCAG and ARIA and will be seeing what they are doing and who we should involve in COGA

John is likely to attend the conference debbie will be attending

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

discussing days to meet during the conference. Mike will not be able to attend the conference

<Lisa_Seeman> next item

if people can let Lisa know who is planning on attending after the meeting it would be helpful

looking at table 1 trying to zoom in on issue paper road maps

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html#table1

we have multiple tables that address a set of user needs

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/privacy-security.html

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/safety.html

a group of user needs based on Privacy and Security and Online Safety

have users stories been accurately represented?

John knows the data well and can weigh in

1. look at user needs

2. look at how we are addressing in the extensions of COGA

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/index.html

Extensions can be expanded using the "expand" link

1. Extenstions of WCAG

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html#keep-the-user-safe

2. Recommendations non-normative

Sorry Techniques not recommendations

co,un 3 is new semantics that are being suggested

column 3

Open conversation - do these address the correct user needs?

The question on the table is do you think all user needs are there on the first paper - Security

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html#table1

Disscussing the table - the user stories at the top of the table

Lisa feels like there probably is a user story that is missing

user needs are different from user stories but they should may

map

do we have the right user stories and the right user needs

next to user needs are WCAG extention for COGA

<Lisa_Seeman> (§ expand)

It is suggested that the expand button be opened in a new window

currently it doesnt expand it is just a link. In the future it will expand

Does the success criteria meet the user need

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html#minimize-the-cognitive-skills-required-to-use-the-content-when-there-is-a-known-alternative

some links may not be working because of the GitHub transfer

John will get back to Lisa after the call. If everyone could look at the table it would be useful

any comments on user needs from the group?

A question on the second one

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/safety.html

everyone needs a safe way to interact not just COGA

the needs for people in this group are more pronounced because this group can be targeted first

these are the most vulnerable users and this needs visibility

People with impairments are being targeted and the group needs to mindful of this

<KurtM> Present KurtM

maybe replace the word user need with usage in this case as the user need is not unique to this group

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html#table1

maybe these is a possible clarification to the user need

we could possibly divide this into two user needs

examples: making a purchase automatically set the purchase number from one to two and this could go unnoticed

incrementing purchase quantities could be an issue for this group

you are not a COGA friendly site if you are using such practices

another example is downloading unwanted software along with a wanted download

possibly name the table authentication and safety

renaming theable authentication and safety would be more clear and add a user need

<Lisa_Seeman> As a user who has impairments I need to be able to use a site without being required to copy itemes in the correct sequence

the story lisa jsut entered could possibly be the story that is missing

we may already addressing in 3.4.4 however lisa is suggesting this as another user need

for simplicity we could wait for feedback instead of adding this - give the basics instead of more detailed needs

john has a worry that we could overload people with information and people will not pay attention

Lisa indicates that other groups need more information and the engineering side of these solutions. These are not for content authors they are for other groups within the w3c

<Lisa_Seeman> I need a method of secure website authentication that I find easy to use

<Lisa_Seeman> (Assume I have cognitive and memory impairments)

<Lisa_Seeman> I need a method of secure website authentication that I find easy to use

<Lisa_Seeman> (Assume I have cognitive and memory impairments)

adding "Assume I have" gives more context

<Zakim> ddahl, you wanted to ask if the second row is any different from safety for any user?

Debbie agrees that adding "Assume I have" may help

<Lisa_Seeman> (Assume I do not have the cognative function to identify all the risk)

It was suggested that there is a problem with the word "vulnerability" as this is an issue across groups including the elderly

<EA> I like it

Now looking at personalization

<EA> I meant cognitive function to identify all the risks

2 proposals in the extentions

do not expose user information ....

do not add mechanisms in a way that would do them harm

does this fullly cover the issue? or does something need to be added

John wonders where we define "harm"

"harm" can be defined through the WCAG extension

last time we discussed defining harm through the techniques

John suggests that the definition of "harm" is important to the context

Can we give examples without being exhaustive. This maybe a question for WCAG on the best place to define

discussing using deliberate harm vs accidental harm

no one will admit to deliberate harm

we are not saying that authors need to do anything active from causing harm and this could be a problem

we define known techniques so they are finite

need to clearly define the amount of harm. There is a lot of ambiguity

It is suggested that we need something before the word harm to provide more context

it feels like we are getting the hang of these tables and they will be of use

will finish this table next week

thank you

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