<jeanne> okey dokey! ;)

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<scribe> scribe: allanj

discussion of https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016May/0017.html

multi column vs single column

scott: depends on the demarcation between columns, when using magnification multi-column is more difficult

<scribe> New SC relating to notifications of content change (was Re: Some thinking around the orientation discussion) on MATF or WCAG list

discussion of notifications for low vision

<laura> Hi

3.3.1 Text Size

wd: wcag 1.4.4 and 1.4.8 don't cover it.
... UAAG 1.4.1

https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_141

wd: UAAG 1.4.4 meets this.

lc: seem UAAG 1.4.1, 1.4.2 meet lvtf-3.3.1

ja: +1

<laura> +1

3.3.2 Font

wd: UAAG 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 meet this

+1

sm and lc +1

3.3.3 Style

ja: UAAG 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 meet this
... the issue will be having the browsers implement some mechanism to set the items

wd, lc, sm, ja +1

3.3.4 Capitalization

ja: covered in UAAG 1.4.6

wd, lc, sm, ja +1

3.3.5 Size of all elements

sm: website allow fontsize change but not other elements

wd: or browser zoom that enlarges everything. but may loose wrapping

NOTE: add UAAG 1.7 to lvtf 3.3.1-3.3.5

https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_141

<laura> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html

covered by WCAG 1.4.8 (partial - only block of text), UAAG 1.4.1 & 1.4.2 (partial - text only)

ja: does UAAG 1.7 Stylesheets https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_17 meet lvtf 3.3.5

sm: seems too broad. need lots of explanation

ja: seems we have a gap - Size of all elements not just text

awk: +1

<laura> +1

<Wayne> +1

RESOLUTION: Gap in LVTF 3.3.5 - UAAG and WCAG only cover text

3.4.1 Leading

awk: leading is not line height. Need to review wording. Line height determined by font size and 1/2 leading

<scribe> ACTION: JimA to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]

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<scribe> ACTION: Jim to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [on Jim Allan - due 2016-05-19].

awk: covered by WCAG 1.4.8

ja: covered by UAAG 1.4.1 & 1.4.2

Proposal: change 3.4.1 change leading to be "line spacing (leading)" eliminate line height

RESOLUTION: change 3.4.1 change leading to be "line spacing (leading)" eliminate line height

ja: WCAG - 1.5x line spacing, UAAG - 2x line spacing,

wd: go with UAAG

awk: there is a gap WCAG doesn't say customizable

ja: UAAG is customizable, but only to 2x

awk: WCAG.next integrating UAAG will be interesting

wd: upper limit of 2x for next version of WCAG, perhaps
... WCAG 1.4.8 says minimum, UAAG is adjustable

RESOLUTION: GAP - WCAG - partial, no adjusting, only minimum), UAAG (adjustable - only to 2x, with 3 levels). Note: users may want less than minimuim

3.4.2 Letter Spacing

RESOLUTION: GAP not covered by WCAG or UAAG

3.4.3 Word spacing

wd: covered in UAAG 1.4.6

3.4.4 justification

WCAG 1.4.8 partial - no full justifiaction, UAAG 1.4.6 allows adjusting

correction - 1.4.6 should be 1.4.3 blocks of text Justification (left or right, including turning off full justification)

sm: may break layout. don't have much issue with justification

wd: issue with very large text at full justification

sm: center justified is an issue finding next line
... right justified is also an issue

RESOLUTION: GAP - WCAG 1.4.8 partial - no full justifiaction, NO GAP UAAG 1.4.3 blocks of text

<scribe> ACTION: jim to write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4 [on Jim Allan - due 2016-05-19].

wd: add 1.4.3 to lvtf 3.4.2 (character spacing, letter spacing

2.4.5 Margins and borders

RESOLUTION: GAP not covered by WCAG, no gap in UAAG (though border settings not fully expanded)

<laura> bye

<ScottM> Bye!

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