IRC log of lvtf on 2016-05-12

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Zakim, this will be

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Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 12 May 2016

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Chair: Jim and Andrew

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regrets: JonA, JohnR

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regrets+ jeanne

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okey dokey! ;)

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s/okey dokey! ;) //

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Agenda+ Gap Analysis

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agenda?

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zakim, clear agenda

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agenda cleared

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Agenda+ Gap Analysis

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scribe: allanj

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discussion of https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016May/0017.html

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multi column vs single column

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scott: depends on the demarcation between columns, when using magnification multi-column is more difficult

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New SC relating to notifications of content change (was Re: Some thinking around the orientation discussion) on MATF or WCAG list

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discussion of notifications for low vision

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present+ Laura

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regrets + shawn

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Hi

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regrets+ Shawn

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topic: 3.3.1 Text Size

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wd: wcag 1.4.4 and 1.4.8 don't cover it.

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... UAAG 1.4.1 b3f1d5

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https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_141

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s/b3f1d5/

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wd: UAAG 1.4.4 meets this.

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lc: seem UAAG 1.4.1, 1.4.2 meet lvtf-3.3.1

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ja: +1

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+1

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Topic: 3.3.2 Font

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wd: UAAG 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 meet this

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+1

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sm and lc +1

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topic: 3.3.3 Style

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ja: UAAG 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 meet this

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ja: the issue will be having the browsers implement some mechanism to set the items

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wd, lc, sm, ja +1

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topic: 3.3.4 Capitalization

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ja: covered in UAAG 1.4.6

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wd, lc, sm, ja +1

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topic: 3.3.5 Size of all elements

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sm: website allow fontsize change but not other elements

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wd: or browser zoom that enlarges everything. but may loose wrapping

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NOTE: add UAAG 1.7 to lvtf 3.3.1-3.3.5

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https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_141

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html allanj

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http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html

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covered by WCAG 1.4.8 (partial - only block of text), UAAG 1.4.1 & 1.4.2 (partial - text only)

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ja: does UAAG 1.7 Stylesheets https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_17 meet lvtf 3.3.5

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sm: seems too broad. need lots of explanation

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ja: seems we have a gap - Size of all elements not just text

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awk: +1

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+1

15:52:19 [Wayne]

+1

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RESOLUTION: Gap in LVTF 3.3.5 - UAAG and WCAG only cover text

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topic: 3.4.1 Leading

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awk: leading is not line height. Need to review wording. Line height determined by font size and 1/2 leading

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action: JimA to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading

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action: Jim to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading

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Created ACTION-54 - Reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [on Jim Allan - due 2016-05-19].

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awk: covered by WCAG 1.4.8

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ja: covered by UAAG 1.4.1 & 1.4.2

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Proposal: change 3.4.1 change leading to be "line spacing (leading)" eliminate line height

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RESOLUTION: change 3.4.1 change leading to be "line spacing (leading)" eliminate line height

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ja: WCAG - 1.5x line spacing, UAAG - 2x line spacing,

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wd: go with UAAG

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awk: there is a gap WCAG doesn't say customizable

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ja: UAAG is customizable, but only to 2x

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awk: WCAG.next integrating UAAG will be interesting

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wd: upper limit of 2x for next version of WCAG, perhaps

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wd: WCAG 1.4.8 says minimum, UAAG is adjustable

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RESOLUTION: GAP - WCAG - partial, no adjusting, only minimum), UAAG (adjustable - only to 2x, with 3 levels). Note: users may want less than minimuim

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topic: 3.4.2 Letter Spacing

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RESOLUTION: GAP not covered by WCAG or UAAG

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topic: 3.4.3

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s/3.4.3/3.4.3 Word spacing

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wd: covered in UAAG 1.4.6

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topic: 3.4.4 justification

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WCAG 1.4.8 partial - no full justifiaction, UAAG 1.4.6 allows adjusting

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correction - 1.4.6 should be 1.4.3 blocks of text Justification (left or right, including turning off full justification)

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sm: may break layout. don't have much issue with justification

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wd: issue with very large text at full justification

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sm: center justified is an issue finding next line

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... right justified is also an issue

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RESOLUTION: GAP - WCAG 1.4.8 partial - no full justifiaction, NO GAP UAAG 1.4.3 blocks of text

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action: jim to write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4

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Created ACTION-55 - Write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4 [on Jim Allan - due 2016-05-19].

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wd: add 1.4.3 to lvtf 3.4.2 (character spacing, letter spacing

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topic: 2.4.5 Margins and borders

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RESOLUTION: GAP not covered by WCAG, no gap in UAAG (though border settings not fully expanded)

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bye

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Bye!

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zakim, please part

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been shawn, jim, ScottM, AWK, JohnRochford, Wayne, Laura

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present-JohnRochford

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html allanj

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: JimA to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-irc#T15-54-54

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ACTION: Jim to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-irc#T15-55-05

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ACTION: jim to write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4 [3]

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