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14:16:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:16:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:16:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:16:30 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2016
14:16:43 <allanj> Chair: Jim and Andrew
14:17:52 <allanj> regrets: JonA, JohnR
14:19:08 <jeanne> regrets+ jeanne
14:21:30 <jeanne> okey dokey!  ;)
14:21:47 <jeanne> s/okey dokey!  ;)  //
14:47:08 <allanj> Agenda+ Gap Analysis
14:47:23 <allanj> agenda?
14:47:44 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
14:47:44 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:47:49 <allanj> Agenda+ Gap Analysis
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15:05:27 <allanj> scribe: allanj
15:06:20 <allanj> discussion of https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016May/0017.html
15:07:05 <allanj> multi column vs single column
15:08:19 <allanj> scott: depends on the demarcation between columns, when using magnification multi-column is more difficult
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15:14:25 <allanj> New SC relating to notifications of content change (was Re: Some thinking around the orientation discussion) on MATF or WCAG list
15:16:30 <allanj> discussion of notifications for low vision
15:17:14 <laura> present+ Laura
15:17:34 <allanj> regrets + shawn
15:18:41 <laura> Hi
15:18:47 <shawn> regrets+ Shawn
15:22:40 <allanj> topic: 3.3.1 Text Size
15:23:49 <allanj> wd: wcag 1.4.4 and 1.4.8 don't cover it.
15:24:06 <allanj> ... UAAG 1.4.1 b3f1d5
15:24:19 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_141
15:24:47 <allanj> s/b3f1d5/
15:26:27 <allanj> wd: UAAG 1.4.4 meets this.
15:27:37 <allanj> lc: seem UAAG 1.4.1, 1.4.2 meet lvtf-3.3.1
15:27:59 <allanj> ja: +1
15:28:46 <laura> +1
15:29:04 <allanj> Topic: 3.3.2 Font
15:29:37 <allanj> wd: UAAG 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 meet this
15:30:03 <allanj> +1
15:30:12 <allanj> sm and lc +1
15:30:26 <allanj> topic: 3.3.3 Style
15:30:57 <allanj> ja: UAAG 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 meet this
15:32:16 <allanj> ja: the issue will be having the browsers implement some mechanism to set the items
15:32:40 <allanj> wd, lc, sm, ja +1
15:33:02 <allanj> topic: 3.3.4 Capitalization
15:34:32 <allanj> ja: covered in UAAG 1.4.6
15:34:44 <allanj> wd, lc, sm, ja +1
15:35:22 <allanj> topic: 3.3.5 Size of all elements
15:37:40 <allanj> sm: website allow fontsize change but not other elements
15:38:39 <allanj> wd: or browser zoom that enlarges everything. but may loose wrapping
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15:40:56 <allanj> NOTE: add UAAG 1.7 to lvtf 3.3.1-3.3.5
15:42:07 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_141
15:42:22 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:42:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:42:31 <laura> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html
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15:47:34 <allanj> covered by WCAG 1.4.8 (partial - only block of text), UAAG 1.4.1 & 1.4.2 (partial - text only)
15:48:55 <allanj> ja: does UAAG 1.7 Stylesheets https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#sc_17 meet lvtf 3.3.5
15:50:27 <allanj> sm: seems too broad. need lots of explanation
15:51:27 <allanj> ja: seems we have a gap - Size of all elements not just text
15:51:49 <allanj> awk: +1
15:52:09 <laura> +1
15:52:19 <Wayne> +1
15:52:32 <allanj> RESOLUTION: Gap in LVTF 3.3.5 - UAAG and WCAG only cover text
15:52:49 <allanj> topic: 3.4.1 Leading
15:53:52 <allanj> awk: leading is not line height. Need to review wording. Line height determined by font size and 1/2 leading
15:54:54 <allanj> action: JimA to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading
15:54:54 <trackbot> Error finding 'JimA'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:55:05 <allanj> action: Jim to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading
15:55:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [on Jim Allan - due 2016-05-19].
15:56:03 <allanj> awk: covered by WCAG 1.4.8
15:56:36 <allanj> ja: covered by UAAG 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
15:57:56 <allanj> Proposal: change 3.4.1 change leading to be "line spacing (leading)" eliminate line height
15:58:19 <allanj> RESOLUTION: change 3.4.1 change leading to be "line spacing (leading)" eliminate line height
15:59:32 <allanj> ja: WCAG - 1.5x line spacing, UAAG - 2x line spacing,
15:59:55 <allanj> wd: go with UAAG
16:01:32 <allanj> awk: there is a gap WCAG doesn't say customizable
16:01:51 <allanj> ja: UAAG is customizable, but only to 2x
16:02:18 <allanj> awk: WCAG.next integrating UAAG will be interesting
16:03:05 <allanj> wd: upper limit of 2x for next version of WCAG, perhaps
16:04:10 <allanj> wd: WCAG 1.4.8 says minimum, UAAG is adjustable
16:07:29 <allanj> RESOLUTION: GAP -  WCAG - partial, no adjusting, only minimum), UAAG (adjustable - only to 2x, with 3 levels). Note: users may want less than minimuim
16:08:40 <allanj> topic: 3.4.2 Letter Spacing
16:09:07 <allanj> RESOLUTION: GAP not covered by WCAG or UAAG
16:10:28 <allanj> topic: 3.4.3
16:10:59 <allanj> s/3.4.3/3.4.3 Word spacing
16:11:26 <allanj> wd: covered in UAAG 1.4.6
16:12:09 <allanj> topic: 3.4.4 justification
16:13:20 <allanj> WCAG 1.4.8 partial - no full justifiaction, UAAG 1.4.6 allows adjusting
16:15:09 <allanj> correction - 1.4.6 should be 1.4.3 blocks of text Justification (left or right, including turning off full justification)
16:16:08 <allanj> sm: may break layout. don't have much issue with justification
16:16:37 <allanj> wd: issue with very large text at full justification
16:17:12 <allanj> sm: center justified is an issue finding next line
16:17:32 <allanj> ... right justified is also an issue
16:20:56 <allanj> RESOLUTION: GAP - WCAG 1.4.8 partial - no full justifiaction, NO GAP UAAG 1.4.3 blocks of text
16:25:44 <allanj> action: jim to write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4
16:25:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4 [on Jim Allan - due 2016-05-19].
16:27:11 <allanj> wd: add 1.4.3 to lvtf 3.4.2 (character spacing, letter spacing
16:27:31 <allanj> topic: 2.4.5 Margins and borders
16:33:06 <allanj> RESOLUTION: GAP not covered by WCAG, no gap in UAAG (though border settings not fully expanded)
16:33:17 <laura> bye
16:33:28 <ScottM> Bye!
16:33:30 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:37:10 <allanj> zakim, please part
16:37:10 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been shawn, jim, ScottM, AWK, JohnRochford, Wayne, Laura
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16:37:39 <allanj> present-JohnRochford
16:37:50 <allanj> rrsagent make minutes
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16:37:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
16:38:17 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
16:38:17 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:38:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JimA to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [1]
16:38:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-irc#T15-54-54
16:38:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jim to reword 3.4.1 and definition of leading [2]
16:38:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-irc#T15-55-05
16:38:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to write proposed resolution for 3.3.1 - 3.3.4 [3]
16:38:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-lvtf-irc#T16-25-44