Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

04 Mar 2016


See also: IRC log


deirdre, antoine, annette_g, riccardoAlbertoni, newton, phila, ericstephan, hadleybeeman, laufer, BernadetteLoscio, yaso


<phila> chair: Dee

<deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160304

Me too, hadleybeeman :-/ tryong to webex

<newton> deirdrelee: showing agenda. we're focusing today in our f2f meeting in Zagreb

<newton> ... the meeting will be our last f2f meeting

<newton> ... it will be an opportunity share and exchange information with SharePSI group

<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of last week's meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes

<hadleybeeman> +1

<deirdrelee> +1

<antoine> +1

<BernadetteLoscio> +1

<newton> +1

<phila> +0 absent

RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of last week's meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes

<annette_g> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni> my name is missing ..

<riccardoAlbertoni> but it is not a big probelm

<riccardoAlbertoni> yes

<laufer> +1

<riccardoAlbertoni> it could be ..

<ericstephan> I was absent

<newton> deirdrelee: get updates from each of the vocabularies

<newton> ... where we are, the plans for the coming weeks

<newton> ... let's discuss DUV vocabulary first

<newton> ericstephan: our goal to next weeks is to make sure that we have the issues resolved before the f2f

<deirdrelee> open issues https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

<newton> scribe: yaso

<newton> changing scribing role to yaso (thanks yaso!)

ericstephan: we received a lot of comments on the citation model

no problem, newton


deirdrelee: on the data usage vocab, any comments?
... if we can get a final version of these issues closed to zagreb, that would be awesome

<riccardoAlbertoni> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html

<hadleybeeman> I had a FB exchange with Robin Berjon this week... who was looking at https://research.science.ai/article/web-first-data-citations . Said he'd seen DUV but didn't really understand it.

riccardoAlbertoni: the issues that are open, I tried to write a proposal on this

<hadleybeeman> Robin also said he'd talked to the editors, but still didn't get it. I'm not sure how to help sort this out?

riccardoAlbertoni: I dont think we will close all the issues by then

antoine: I would like to raise the point of some external comments that we have
... the issues that came from external people,
... this way we may close some of issues, at least the day of the face to face

phila: by the time we leave zagreb all the issues on the 3 docs have to be closed
... so antoine, please write to that people so we can close the issues

antoine: we received one e-mail that we did not touched yet, there also a couple of discussions that are extremely long
... the discussion we have was extremely constructive, so that where we are now

deirdrelee: makes sense to address the issues during the week
... so we can get them on their way before the meeting
... thinking in terms of the agenda for zagreb, we can focus on the best practices as well, but on the time dedicated to the vocabs,


scribe: we have to work on the vocabs because they have more issues open

phila: the share psi people will be there on Tuesday, so we can think in terms of a day and a half

<phila> https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/wiki/Zagreb/social

BernadetteLoscio: wanted to talk about zagreb

antoine: to talk about vocabs and zagreb

deirdrelee: topic: ZAGREB

phila: look at the link so you can acknowledge when people are arriving and leaving
... there'll be some external interest, and my expectation for this afternoon is talking about evidence of implementation
... the motivation to put sharepsi and dwbp together is to ease the evidence of implementation talk

BernadetteLoscio: we can also estimate how long we will be in the discussion

deirdrelee: our focus should be about closing issues, the more ready we can be until zagreb better

<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comment_tracker_status

deirdrelee: tks BernadetteLoscio for the idea

BernadetteLoscio: I made a table at wiki, w/ the tracker comments, so the idea is to have an ideia of how long discussions will take
... and I think we could do the same for the vocabs

lots of noise, someone typing really hard

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to antoine

<laufer> +1

antoine, can you write down what you've said? I lost it

Sorry: -/

<antoine> I said it would be good to have some parallel sessions to start the F2F to be sure we can have prepared plenary

thanks, antoine !

<antoine> Having the plenary discss everything may be counter-productive as we've got very diverse issues

phila: we can have an extra room if we need it

laufer: what we expect from zagreb
... I want to know from phila if we still have time for a new bp

phila: if you it ready before the zagreb, and the editors acknowledge that

laufer: but we would not have comments from public

phila: if you got the evidence, examples and all, then the group can have a look at it, and theres no process that says you can't

deirdrelee: is something straightforward?

laufer: we have some best practices that talk about specific domains, for example specs for timetables, or feeds
... when people want to publish a dataset, don't know if this can be a " data set type"
... for example, the open transport is a way to distribute timetables

deirdrelee: so laufer you should send an email today, so we can see and analyze to solve this quickly

phila: I think we already got a BP for this, is "use standardized terms"
... maybe you should include this on the use standardized terms, instead of a new BP for this
... SDW is a specialization of what this group is doing

deirdrelee: i don't want go down on this topic now...


<annette_g> standard data model

laufer: its more than only using the terms. Is about an specific way of distributing the files

deirdrelee: we should move on to the BP doc
... for zagreb, what are our goals, BernadetteLoscio

BernadetteLoscio: what the SDW is doing is an extension, I think we should include their work in ours

phila: you got a lot of introductory material

<deirdrelee> open knowledge discussion on APIs and GTFS.... https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/open-transport/2016-February/thread.html

phila: you can just write "this doc is generic, please bare in mind"

<Zakim> newton, you wanted to talk about implementation report

newton: about the BP doc, we need implementation, I'd like to know when we are going to start the implementation report

phila: I have to do this, and I'll do. What you need is people trying to use it
... i'll probably will do a google form for it

deirdrelee: coming back to the BP doc and editors plan

<newton> phila, should create an action to that?

<phila> I already have one

deirdrelee: from the table that you've prepared, do you see that those are adressable?

BernadetteLoscio: the table is for the comment tracker

<newton> ok, let me know if I can help you with that

BernadetteLoscio: for external comments. Most of them are ok, I saw that annette_g sent a messagem about eric's comments, and I really hope that we can close this comments

<phila> It's my action-229, newton https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/229

BernadetteLoscio: because I should discuss the open issues at the f2f

phila: the wg csv has been closed, and in their f2f they had a closed time to each issue

<Zakim> phila, you wanted to offer some advice on time boxing

phila: and if they don't resolve that in the closed minutes that goes to the end of the day
... and it is a great way to work on issues

<hadleybeeman> +1 to phila's recommendation.... that worked well with csv on the web

+1 to phila

deirdrelee: we have 27 open issues, and we will not have time at the f2f to solve all of them there, so we can try to close them and resolve the issues and comments in the next week
... I know it's easier said than done, but
... so giving resolutions should be priority to the editors

<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open

deirdrelee: we have kind of putting aside the open actions
... but as the chairs of the group we are going thru that actions and see what can be closed or not
... +1 to the idea :-)

<BernadetteLoscio> its ok!

<newton> I'm gonna work full time on the BP doc next week

deirdrelee: we have to try to have as much as possible of things prepared to the f2f

<newton> yaso: there's nobody from the InWeb (data enrichment guys) on the call today

<phila> Draft Member Submission from InWeb

<newton> ... InWeb sent us an email asking if they could send to group a Member Submission with BP related to data enrichment

<newton> ... I don't know if we should talk about it without them on the meeting

<newton> deirdrelee: nobody feels very strong on it

<annette_g> -1 for dropping it

<newton> yaso: I would like to know what the group think

<newton> phila: to get this document to rec, we should proof that every BP is implemented


<newton> ... we might struggle to get the BPs of data enrichment implemented

phila: we might struggle to prove that it's been done in more that 1 place (about that BP)
... we can flag that as "at risk"

deirdrelee: realistically, the inweb team has to provide examples, and take ownership on that

<phila> +1 Dee



antoine: I can provide some examples of implementation on the data enrichment
... the BP itself is alright, maybe a bit generic

deirdrelee: maybe is about removing the link between the member submission and the BP
... and we can refer to the MS, but not necessarily
... does that makes sense?


BernadetteLoscio: I'm not sure
... maybe the BP needs to be rewritten

deirdrelee: more comments?

<antoine> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JvjrWMTpMIH7WnuieNqcT0zpJAXUPo6x4uMBj1pEx0Y/

Ok, perfect, deirdrelee !

BernadetteLoscio: I think that this should not be a decision of the editors

+1 to BernadetteLoscio

<ericstephan_> +1 BernadetteLoscio

deirdrelee: next friday: preps for zagreb

<BernadetteLoscio> :)

<hadleybeeman> :)

<riccardoAlbertoni> cool!!!

phila: people told me that they like what they are doing

<antoine> :-)

<laufer> :):)

<annette_g> :)

<newton> nice :)

<BernadetteLoscio> cool!!!

phila: so I'm optimistic and happy etc

<ericstephan_> bye


<newton> thanks yaso for scribing and deirdre for chairing :)

<riccardoAlbertoni> bye 1

<annette_g> bye!!

<laufer> bye all...

<newton> bye

Bye all!!!

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Approve minutes of last week's meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/02/26-dwbp-minutes
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