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<allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/LVTF_Open_Issues#Contrast_.26_Image_accessibility
AWK: Text is clear and easier to
resolve. But really rich images is quite difficult. My hope is
provide flexibility without it being overwhelmin also be
effective.
... We have freedom in setting background and forground and not
using color for meaning. There are graphs with lots of color,
there are so many extra symbols. There is very complex data in
quantititive graphs.
... opacity, complex symbolism. There needs to be room for
inovation. Maybe there is more. There just needs a way for
users to unpack it all. Need is all the information needs to be
packed up.
<allanj> awk
<Zakim> allanj, you wanted to say icon fonts may fall in this area also
allanj: This brings up the icon
discussions. Either image icons or unicode icons. Can we
address these without calling them out explicitly.
... The user just wants to see it.
<jon_avila> FYI I put my comments on the wiki
<AWK> Wayne: icons. Wayne likes to keep print large and icons small
<AWK> ... low contrast icons are a problem, especially ones that provide directions to do something
<AWK> ... alistair made a good point that the meanings are not settled
<AWK> ... but having visible icons that don't take up real estate is valuable
<jon_avila> IMO emojis are used to communicate human language and details of emoji may be hard to see and need to be larger than text
jon: When difference in
luminosity distinguishes luminosity. That is not well address.
Difference in contrast must meet the contrast threshold.
Complex maps. There are so many pattersn. Allow user to adjust
to hide data. Customizations that would benefit users with
low
... and everyone.
<jon_avila> ACTION: jon avila to create user need for contrast differences [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Avila to create user need for contrast differences [on Jonathan Avila - due 2016-03-09].
AWK: Assume we are using color as
the anchoring concept. Users can percieve all important
information conveyed using color.
... Not just images, but the core concept is (color?). The
higher level is users can perceive all information... dreilling
down users can percieve withoug relying on color. Add in other
thatn color. A chart with a ping ... I'll use something other
than color. A lot will be dynamic. There must be different
approaches.
don't lose Jon's luminosity.
<jon_avila> User Need: When differences in luminosity are used to communicate meaning including active, selection, and focus states, the difference in luminosity is sufficient between different states or additional means other than luminosity are used to communicate meaning.
<allanj> ACTION: jim to review 3.1 contrast/color user needs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Review 3.1 contrast/color user needs [on Jim Allan - due 2016-03-09].
<allanj> wayne: low vision users don't have access to @alt. use screen mag software to get access to @alt not for magnification
<allanj> wayne: need some mechanism for @alt to be revealed on screen
<jeanne> The importance of UAAG 2.0
AWK: Is access to alt text a user
need or user solution? I lean toward solution.
... On complex graphs it may be alternative data, or may be
access to alt-text.
<allanj> user need access to content/data, attributes, some other mechanism
<allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/LVTF_Open_Issues#Work_with_User_Settings
<jon_avila> Yes, this is very nice, good job
<allanj> wayne: can't delete items in with large text and large mouse, must go to lesser magnification, to have access to the button.
AWK: If the enlargement tools could make the cursor go a way. If you pressed an escape tool.
JohnR: Have never seen what you are describing.
<allanj> awk: perhaps mouse size tools could have a way to drop the size to normal, and then toggle back to expanded.
AWK: If the user had the information as to what is on the tip.
JohnR: Maybe it could be transparent.
<allanj> ja: seems a problem with mag tools. cannot make this happen with large os mouse pointer...tool tips are always placed in a readable location. Author, browser, and OS have no control over mag software.
<jon_avila> * have to step away for a minute
<JohnRochford> Clarification: By "it", I mean the "cursor" could be transparent.
Obscured information or functionaity with enlarged pointers and text.
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<scribe> ACTION: Craft user need on obscured perception and operability [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/03/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]
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<allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/LVTF_Open_Issues#Point_of_Regard_-_Others.3F
Allanj: Modify the excellent image.
<jon_avila> * back
Allanj: Associated user needs: Users know about and can access information.
AWK: There are areas that cannot work. The information can be to much to fit. We need to modiry it so it does not have to fit into a 2cm circle.
<JohnRochford> Gotta go, folks.
allanj: There are thinks like tracks that take you to the objects.
<jon_avila> Section 508 refresh indicates 302.2 With Limited Vision. Where a visual mode of operation is provided, ICT shall provide at least one mode of operation that magnifies, one mode that that reduces the field of vision required, and one mode that allows user control of contrast.
<allanj> wayne: lv person functions like a screen reader user. SR have 1 word at a time, LV user has limited view
<allanj> wayne: this is important, how to find stuff. many messages, alerts are hidden.
<allanj> wayne: low vision users need similar information to SR users.
jon: 508 refresh has at least one mode that facilitate limited field of view.
<allanj> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#proximity-of-related-information
allanj: Are we covered. We are
doing work on user settings. We are going to do some work on
other areas. Can we close this one.
... If we add in images can we close these can we close
this.
<allanj> wayne: need image of table with fixed headers.
<allanj> ja: tv guide table with no headers,
allanj: May leave this one open.
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<allanj> wayne: or bus scheule
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